john1950 Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 I see yesterday Ben Wallace is talking about new build Challenger 3 tanks. I wonder where these will be built as we do not have a dedicated tank production facility any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) They will be built from (148?) Challenger 2, with a new smoothbore gun, turret and systems by a BAE Land Systems/Rheinmetall consortium. Challenger 3 - the British Army's new main battle tank is coming | The British Army (mod.uk) Edited February 2, 2023 by Mk3iain A bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 So not new a rehash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 In collaboration with the manufacturer of the Leopard and with a new version of the Leopard/Abrams gun. They will be the best out there, apparently, so good we only need a few of them..🤣🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attleej Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 A Challenger 3 is a really a Challenger 2 with a Leopard 2 turret c/w smooth bore gun which is apparently what the tankies want, ie the 120 mm smoothbore gun. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Mk3iain said: They will be the best out there, apparently, so good we only need a few of them..🤣🤣🤣 We can't afford the fuel for any more, can we? 🙂 Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 So we have a 30 year plus designed Ajax and a 50 year plus MBT. For a modern army. With new bits stuck on the top. Not my definition of new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 But does that really matter? Surely the hull and transmission are just there to get the new (and clever) bits to where they're needed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 its a bitsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 With the developments in metallurgy and composite materials as well as hull survivability design in the intervening years. We as a country should be in the forefront of mobile combat vehicle design and manufacture given the MOD budget. Which begs the question, what do these mandarins do with the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 i fear we will be leasing tanks from the yanks (again!) before long. Oh how the mighty have fallen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 On 2/4/2023 at 6:50 AM, terryb said: i fear we will be leasing tanks from the yanks (again!) before long. Oh how the mighty have fallen! We definitely can't afford the fuel for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 An update on the new turret being built by Pearson and Responsive engineering in the Armstrong works. Challenger 3 demonstrator turret structure released to RBSL - Pearson Engineering (pearson-eng.com) Maybe we should be upgrading all C2 instead of a few! If we were to need more we should have the capacity to design and build a complete MBT plus systems, plenty of heavy engineering firms such as JCB, Terex etc. that could step up if required. I still have faith, just. 😌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted February 19, 2023 Author Share Posted February 19, 2023 We have people with the ability and willing companies, It is political foresight and willingness to expect the unexpected this country lacks. We support lame ducks and deride success in many cases. We cannot support the military with a just in time supply system used in the commercial sphere of operations. No politician seems to have any idea how many rounds a weapon of any class can fire or need to fire in a combat situation. They have not seen the Red or White ball express films of Diamond Ts pulling trailers loaded with ammunition heading for the front line. They never thought to ask where did they come from. A most recent debacle is HMS Leaky and HMS Wobbly both built with foreign design input from firms with no track record in design and installation of the items they were given a contract to install. Sorry if it looks like a rant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) An interesting and well made overview of tank firepower from the Tank Museum. With a little mention of C3 at the end... I do feel the Centurion and the 105mm gun (L7 ?) would have been worthy of mention. It is a general overview though.... Edited February 19, 2023 by Mk3iain A bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 As we suspected it is slowly turning into a war of the factories. To keep the front line supplied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teletech Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Discussion of the 2 with mention at the end of the 3 upgrade program. Interesting the bit about how 14 is a noticeable percentage of available units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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