fv1609 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Could it be a shield for an artillery position I see what you mean, not specifically only a part of it would offer minimal protection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 is it to direct a attack in to lines of fire Not specifically Wally although seeing this thing may encourage attackers to go somewhere else or severely slow them down making them easier targets, although in some situations may make them less easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 If it helps it would take 10 men about 4 hours to set up the basics for this particular arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Do we assume the structure is extendable to left and right of the drawing along the axis of the parapet or whatever it is? A forest of wooden poles/spikes rammed into the earth. 15 feet deep. Just too far for cavalry to jump. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Do we assume the structure is extendable to left and right of the drawing along the axis of the parapet or whatever it is? Yes A forest of wooden poles/spikes rammed into the earth. Yes 15 feet deep. Nope Just too far for cavalry to jump. ???Yes So there is an important feature of this thing missed so far that relates to these 3ft square areas. They are not pyramids but there is some entanglement but not from barbed wire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redherring Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 In those days they might have used hemp? So if the attackers set fire to the structure they ended up stoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex5 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Do the triangular flaps fold down against springs to trap whatever stands on them, each unit mounted on posts? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Something mounted on the posts? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiketheBike Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Is the berm in front of them to conceal it until its too late for the horses to see it, collapsable tops, containing rope or something to tangle their hoofs (hooves.....horses feet!!!!) Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 in each box half is shaded in does this mean for example there are more strands on two sides of the box than on the other two sides or am l look at it wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 In those days they might have used hemp? So if the attackers set fire to the structure they ended up stoned. :rofl: Sounds ingenious but not hemp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Do the triangular flaps fold down against springs to trap whatever stands on them, each unit mounted on posts? John Ingenious thinking John but nothing as complex as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Something mounted on the posts? Andy Yes sort of Andy. We have two types of posts in specific places. Pointed ones & those that give support for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Is the berm in front of them to conceal it until its too late for the horses to see it, Yes Mick collapsable tops, Nope rope or something to tangle their hoofs (hooves.....horses feet!!!!)Yes tangling was an important feature, but not just for horses it was to slow down an infantry attack as well. But not rope Such defences were considered particularly useful against an uncivilised enemy who may attack at night. Edited January 31, 2014 by fv1609 Correction to first paragraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 in each box half is shaded in does this mean for example there are more strands on two sides of the box than on the other two sides or am l look at it wrong I can see what you mean Wally but its not as complex as that, the shading is illustrating perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 is this a low level entanglement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Is the berm in front of them to conceal it until its too late for the horses to see it, MickSorry Mick I misread this, yes you are correct, the berm at the top conceals what awaits the attackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 is this a low level entanglementWally yes it is. The feature of it lies with the square things 3ft x 3ft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 are these constructed using plain wire ? do they have bells /cans with stones in to warn of a surprise attack attached to the wires or is it more to do with the size 3x3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 are these constructed using plain wire ?Wally yes very good. People assume it is barbed wire but this was 5 years before the British Army started to use barbed wire. It was No.14 Birmingham Wire Gauge in 90 lb rolls giving about one mile of wire do they have bells /cans with stones in to warn of a surprise attack attached to the wires or is it more to do with the size 3x3Nothing as elaborate as bells etc the feature was the 3x3 things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 is this a mine field ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 So wire strung between the posts and wooden pyramids around each one, the wood not being large enough to support a man on one leg would collapse and entangle his legs, so impeding forward progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 is this a mine field ?Wally nope nothing as complex as that, just something that has 4 sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 So wire strung between the posts and wooden pyramids around each one, the wood not being large enough to support a man on one leg would collapse and entangle his legs, so impeding forward progress. That sort of thing Bernard but there are no wooden pyramids. There are two types of posts, one type is pointed, neither type are really meant to collapse. There area of coverage is over these square 3x3 things. The final key to this is the nature of these 3ft x 3ft things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The final key to this is the nature of these 3ft x 3ft things It was the wooden things I meant to collapse, so do the wood pole/slats spread apart and trap the poor enemy's legs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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