Adrian Scott Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 (edited) We are working hard to get the Ward ready for Beltring and we have not yet painted the 2 oxygen and 1 other , I assume it is either propain or is it acetylene ??? and what colours would they have been in WW2 , Your thoughts would be most helpful . Edited July 6, 2011 by Adrian Scott bad spelling !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 ted angus Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Are you doing it UK or US UK oxy is black acet is dark maroon and has always been so, US oxy is green afraid I don't know their acet colour, I have seen pics of US Rcy and bottles are in drab TED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 GDSF , if you read the small print, do not allow Oxy Acetylene bottle on the rally field. I would check with Beltring, they may have different insurers and different rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Stormin Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 GDSF , if you read the small print, do not allow Oxy Acetylene bottle on the rally field. I would check with Beltring, they may have different insurers and different rules. Does this apply even if the bottles are empty, purged and simply dummies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Does this apply even if the bottles are empty, purged and simply dummies? It applies to full or empty, I don't think anyone has considered purged, can't see how it could apply to dummies... (Having said that there have been Mk3 Milly wreckers down at GDSF with their bottles! I think the ban is more theoretical than actual) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 N.O.S. Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I plan to cut them vertically, put hinges on and use as storage lockers :cool2: Having said that, this could be a sticking point. I flattened a propane bottle with an excavator and stuck it in a 25t bulker load of scrap. The guy in the yard carefully picked it out of the disgorged heap with his 5 tine grab and threw it back on the trailer :rolleyes: The next trip it was in the load again, having been completely ripped open by the digger bucket and curled up like a banana. And yes, it came back again :angry Third trip it was unregocnisable, having gone 10 rounds with a 30t digger. Never saw it again :thumbsup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) A new standard governing the colour coding of transportable gas cylinders is coming into force across Europe.As a result, many UK industrial gas cylinders will be seeing a fresh coat of paint. The aim of the new standard (EN 1089-3) which has replaced the old cylinder colour scheme (BS349), is to help improve safety standards within the gases industry http://www.ior.org.uk/ior_/images/pdf/se/New%20Colour%20ID%20Chart.pdf I don't know whether the new standard is mandatory but if it is, Europe has agin stuck its nose in our affairs and we might have to use the new colours, I am suggesting that this might actually be legislation we have to follow and it might no be possible to retain older colours because Europe has spoken. All Cylinders "are required" to be labelled, See last page of this pdf http://www.npchse.net/standards/pdf/safety%20standard/other%20standards/Colour%20Code.pdf Edited July 7, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 N.O.S. Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 No change to Propane or Acetylene colours. Oxygen will remain black, but top few inches and dome will become white. ... and 1 other , I assume it is either propane or is it acetylene ??... Good question. I'd always assumed acetylene, but thinking about it the shape is quite similar to propane bottle and presumably lighter construction? hence lower pressure storage, so darned if I know now. Propane was in use from circa 1919 for cutting steel. Would the TMs and equipment lists give the answer? Ah - just checked stash of manuals and schedule lists oxygen and ACETYLENE regulators! How heavy is your fuel bottle Adrian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) In this country BOC sell Acetylene in two different types of cylinder. One is taller,Type F and Type G with a more rounded neck, but depending on your locality, they supply in a shorter larger diameter bottle with a flatter top that looks very much like Propane. The type H bottle. Well BOC has actually got seven cylinders used for Acetylene, I am talking of the common industrial supply sizes here. http://www.boconline.co.uk/health/gas_safety/cylinder_weights_sizes/cylinder_sizes_weights.asp I had never seen one of these flimsy Acetylene type H until I moved to Lincolnshire.... Edited July 7, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 N.O.S. Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 ISTR the U.S. fuel bottle had a very similar top the the type H but was shorter? Adrian?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) MIL-STD-101B 3 December 1970 Has Acetylene Cylinder down as Yellow. And as said Green for Oxygen http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-STD/MIL-STD+(0100+-+0299)/download.php?spec=MIL-STD-101B.021221.pdf Admittedly that is post war, but was this MIL standard based on an earlier one? Edited July 7, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Same Mil standard lists Propyne (not Propane) Propyne is the second simplest gas (C3H4) in the Acetylene(C2H2) family and is also used for welding and cutting Propyne is also in a yellow cylinder but with a Gray (can't Americans spell??) top Could it be that since Propane is not listed in the MIL standard, it was never used as a bottled gas by the US military? Edited July 7, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Seems to be the civilian colors (can't Americans spell??) too http://www.tpub.com/content/construction/14265/css/14265_30.htm Edited July 7, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 N.O.S. Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Information relevant to WW2 would be useful :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I have googled everything I can think of, and presumably so have you... Camoflage netting over it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adrian Barrell Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Paint them OD, everything else was......:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Maurice Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I cleaned 2 WW2 us army marked bottles wich I found on a REO , and the bottom layers were a light green matt collor , and other was yellow . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Adrian Scott Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 I would like too say a big thank you to every one for there help , ive taken the decision to paint all 3 empty bottles olive drab the same colour as the lorry Thanks again Adrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Reckon you should paint green and Yellow, then Olive over the top, then put on a few bashes through the paint to show the base colour through the chips......here and there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 landyandy Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 bit late but the ones on reme museums ward are green not olive drab but slightly lighter with colour coded necks oxy white and acetelene maroon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Markheliops Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Adrian. As far as I am aware the colours (WW11) are as follows: 2 x Oyxgen bottles colured black with white spin tops. 1 x Acetylene bottle coloured green (same as the vehicle). As I have on the Rugged Boys. Markheliops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 antarmike Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) No change to Propane or Acetylene colours. Oxygen will remain black, but top few inches and dome will become white. Good question. I'd always assumed acetylene, but thinking about it the shape is quite similar to propane bottle and presumably lighter construction? hence lower pressure storage, so darned if I know now. Propane was in use from circa 1919 for cutting steel. Would the TMs and equipment lists give the answer? Ah - just checked stash of manuals and schedule lists oxygen and ACETYLENE regulators! How heavy is your fuel bottle Adrian? Propane is filled into cylinders under pressure in a liquefied form. The empty cylinder only has a few vapours. Acetylene is dissolved in a solvent (acetone or dimethylformamide), and this solvent is normally stabilised by being absorbed in a Kapok (or Agamassan) filling. An empty Acetylene cylinder is one where pressure has reduced in the cylinder as all the dissolved Acetylene has been released from the solvent. The vast majority of the solvent stays in the bottle as does the Kapok. It should not be possible to confuse an empty Propane cylinder with an empty Acetylene cylinder whatever colour it is painted. Edited July 8, 2011 by antarmike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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We are working hard to get the Ward ready for Beltring and we have not yet painted the 2 oxygen and 1 other , I assume it is either propain or is it acetylene ??? and what colours would they have been in WW2 , Your thoughts would be most helpful .
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