Eaglehurst Posted January 12, 2011 Author Share Posted January 12, 2011 Hi GuysNSN 8405-99-973-3931 to 3940 60 Pattern NSN 8405-99-122-7329 to 7348 60 Pattern in DPM NSN 8405-99-132-2027 to 2046 68 Pattern NSN 8405-99-132-6079 to 6099 68 Pattern NSN 8415-99-132-1821 to 1840 68 Pattern That lines up with some a few examples I have: 2027-2046 68 Pattern trousers 1821-1840 Standard 68 Pattern Smock 6079-6099 seems to be some modification for Gurkas as all of the examples I have seen have a size code letter G on the label ie G8 (Size8). Judging by the comments above it may be some small Gurgha specific mod that is not easily identified. I am not sure it is size related as the Size G8 example I have is exactly the same size as the standard Size 8, as is the size 1 and G1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) Smock, Combat (1968 Pattern), Smock, Combat 8405-99-132- Size 1 6079 Size 2 6080 Size 3 6081 Size 4 6082 Size 5 6083 Size 6 6084 Size 7 6085 Size 8 6086 Size 9 6087 Special Measure 6088 8415-99-132- Size 1 2025 Size 2 2026 Size 3 2027 Size 4 2028 Size 5 2029 Size 6 2030 Size 7 2031 Size 8 2032 Size 9 2033 Special Measure 2034 8405-99-132- Size 1 1821 Size 2 1822 Size 3 1823 Size 4 1824 Size 5 1825 Size 6 1826 Size 7 1827 Size 8 1828 Size 9 1829 Special Measure 1830 8415-99-132- Size 1 1821 Size 2 1822 Size 3 1823 Size 4 1824 Size 5 1825 Size 6 1826 Size 7 1827 Size 8 1828 Size 9 1829 Special Measure 1830 Trousers, Men’s, Combat (1968 Pattern) Trousers, Men’s Combat 8405-99-132- Size 1 6089 Size 2 6090 Size 3 6091 Size 4 6092 Size 5 6093 Size 6 6094 Size 7 6095 Size 8 6096 Size 9 6097 Special Measure 6098 8405-99-132- Size 1 2035 Size 2 2036 Size 3 2039 Size 4 2040 Size 5 2041 Size 6 2042 Size 7 2043 Size 8 2044 Size 9 2045 Special Measure 2046 8405-99-132- Size 1 1831 Size 2 1832 Size 3 1833 Size 4 1834 Size 5 1835 Size 6 1836 Size 7 1837 Size 8 1838 Size 9 1839 Special Measure 1840 8415-99-132- Size 1 1831 Size 2 1832 Size 3 1833 Size 4 1834 Size 5 1835 Size 6 1836 Size 7 1837 Size 8 1838 Size 9 1839 Special Measure 1840 Edited January 23, 2011 by Panzer nut Oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Smock, Combat (1960 Pattern) 8415-99-973- Size 1 3931 Size 2 3932 Size 3 3933 Size 4 3934 Size 5 3935 Size 6 3936 Size 7 3937 Size 8 3938 Size 9 3939 Special Measure 3940 Trousers, Men’s, Combat (1960 Pattern) 8415-99-973- Size 1 3941 Size 2 3942 Size 3 3943 Size 4 3944 Size 5 3945 Size 6 3946 Size 7 3947 Size 8 3948 Size 9 3949 Special Measure 3950 Smock, Combat (1960 Pattern) {DPM} 8415-99-127- Size 1 7329 Size 2 7330 Size 3 7331 Size 4 7332 Size 5 7333 Size 6 7334 Size 7 7335 Size 8 7336 Size 9 7337 Special Measure 7338 Trousers, Men’s, Combat (1960 Pattern) {DPM} 8415-99-973- Size 1 7339 Size 2 7340 Size 3 7341 Size 4 7342 Size 5 7343 Size 6 7344 Size 7 7345 Size 8 7346 Size 9 7347 Special Measure 7348 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 I think the NSNs above are correct if any one has a different one, please let me know. It seems to go Smock then trousers. Now I am struggling with 85 pattern as I am unsure as to the sizes, does any one have the size tables as I have two different systems to play with. Both smock and trousers are sizes are needed and I suspect tropicals are a differnt breed, so can you guys post the nsns and sizes of as much tropical stuff you have. Thanks Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 Label from Gurkha specific 1968 Pattern: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted January 23, 2011 Author Share Posted January 23, 2011 I think the NSNs above are correct if any one has a different one, please let me know. It seems to go Smock then trousers. Now I am struggling with 85 pattern as I am unsure as to the sizes, does any one have the size tables as I have two different systems to play with. Both smock and trousers are sizes are needed and I suspect tropicals are a differnt breed, so can you guys post the nsns and sizes of as much tropical stuff you have. Thanks Jon John - bear with me and I will sort out some number sequences for the 85 Patt stuff. The move to NATO sizing ie 180/104 etc does complicate the sizings somewhat! Pre NATO sizing (68 Patt) trops seem to be a law unto themselves with the trousers going from a SIZE1 to somewhere in the upper 20's whereas the shirts seem to follow the more traditional 1-9 sizing...:shocked: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 (edited) Lol I think I am hijacking this thread. I will cover Lightweights and Itchy shirts here..lol Not sure if they are correct but where it comes to sizing the lightweights, I have been informed there are 17 sizes???? so taking that into acount and i'm Guessing special sizing still applies Trousers, Overall, Green 8405-99-122-5591 (Size 1) to 122-5607 (Size 17) Special size 122-5608??? Trousers, Men's, Lightweights 8405-99-135-6485 (Size 1) to 135-6502 (Size 17) Special Size 122-6503??? More complicated are the 80's variants, I'll start with the smallest size I have so far seen, there may be smaller. Size 72/68/84 8405-99-977-0502 (977-0503 to 977-0506 Unknown sizes?) Size 75/76/92 8405-99-977-0507 Size 75/80/96 8405-99-977-0508 (977-0509 to 977-0511 Unknown sizes?) Size 80/80/96 8405-99-977-0512 Size 80/84/100 8405-99-977-0513 Size 80/88/104 8405-99-977-0514 Size 80/92/108 8405-99-977-0515 Size 80/96/112 8405-99-977-0516 Size 85/80/96 8405-99-977-0517 Size 85/84/100 8405-99-977-0518 Size 85/88/104 8405-99-977-0519 Size 85/92/108 8405-99-977-0520 Size 85/96/112 8405-99-977-0521 Size 85/100/116 8405-99-977-0522 Size 85/104/120 8405-99-977-0523 Any Bigger sizes? I need to find a sizing list to complete this set of NSN's, If you have sizes not mention please post them, even if you do not have the NSN. Itchy Shirts or Hairy Mairy I beleive are only 5 sizes Shirt, Man's, Combat Size 0 8405-99-132-1807 Size 1 8405-99-132-1808 Size 2 8405-99-132-1809 Size 3 8405-99-132-1810 Size 4 8405-99-132-1811 Can any one confirm the above? Ta Jon Edited January 28, 2011 by Panzer nut Extra sizes added + shirts corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcap Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (snip) Itchy Shirts or Hairy Mairy I beleive are only 5 sizes Shirt, Man's, Combat Size 0 8405-99-132-178 Size 1 8405-99-132-179 Size 2 8405-99-132-180 Size 3 8405-99-132-181 Size 4 8405-99-132-182 Can any one confirm the above? Ta Jon Jon - I can't make out the stock number on the green Hairy Mary I've got (looks like an old style stock number, not an NSN, but it's too faded to make out, but the khaki one I have shows a very odd NSN - it looks like it reads "8405-99-132-1810", for a Size 3. I'm sure that's sticking a spanner in the works somehow, but that's what it looks like it says! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 (edited) Hey Roger :cool2: No, you are quite rigt to throw a spanner in the works, my example was a Size 2 shirt and I missed one didget out when I typed it and threw myself into a major c. up...lol :nut: Thanks for pointing that out. I have now corrected it. Paul was telling me it was you that managed to gat hold of a Size 4? Ta Jon Edited January 28, 2011 by Panzer nut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcap Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hiya matey Dunno about a size 4, my ones are size 3 - I'd give my right... um... cheek... yeah, that's the word... "cheek"... for a size 4 - not getting any younger, middle age spread, and all that smelly stuff DID manage to find a pair of truly massive aertex jungle shirts last year - Olly was excreting breeze blocks in amazement, I lifted then right out from under his still somewhat dozy schnoz at a stall at the Chatham Militaria Fair at about 9 in the morning, lol, though no NSNs on them, just the old white tags from the 50s :-( Talk soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Label from Gurkha specific 1968 Pattern: Does that read 8405-99-122-6086? ta Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcap Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Jon - Certainly appears to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yes Jon. I am intrigued that these seems to be a specific designation for Gurkhas. I have a couple of these Gurkha 'specials' and can find absolutely no difference between then and the standard 68 pat smock.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Using the example above, a educated guess based on other sequencing would be: Smock Mans (1968 Pattern) (Ghurka) Size G1 8405-99-122-6079 Size G2 8405-99-122-6080 Size G3 8405-99-122-6081 Size G4 8405-99-122-6082 Size G5 8405-99-122-6083 Size G6 8405-99-122-6084 Size G7 8405-99-122-6085 Size G8 8405-99-122-6086 Size G9 8405-99-122-6087 Size Special 8405-99-122-6088 Trousers, Men's (68 Pattern) (Ghurka) Size G1 8405-99-122-6089 Size G2 8405-99-122-6090 Size G3 8405-99-122-6091 Size G4 8405-99-122-6092 Size G5 8405-99-122-6093 Size G6 8405-99-122-6094 Size G7 8405-99-122-6095 Size G8 8405-99-122-6096 Size G9 8405-99-122-6097 Size Special 8405-99-122-6098 The Above is assuming there is no Size G0 Ta Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Out of interest. Does any one seen or own a 1960 pattern Hood??? Ta Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Out of interest. Does any one seen or own a 1960 pattern Hood???Ta Jon Jon - the last bit of kit I need to finish off my collection!! I have not seen a 1960 pattern specific hood. The version that I believe was for use with 60 pattern was issued as part of the 52 pattern kit - 'Hood Attachable For Smocks Combat' or 'Hood Combat Attachable' Here is a link and a description: http://josephs-militaria-and-homefront-collection.co.uk/PAGE47.HTML If anyone has one and wants to sell - please drop me a PM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Just to add - what I have never seen, or even heard of, but I am sure must exist is a 66 pattern (DPM variant of the 60 pattern) DPM hood. Smocks and trousers in this pattern are rare enough and were supposedly only issued between 66 and 68 and only then to active units in N/Ireland. If anyone knows better I am happy to be corrected on any of the above - particularly the existence of the hood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Out of interest. Does any one seen or own a 1960 pattern Hood???Ta Jon Hi Jon. Looks like I've got one, just need the smock to go with it.Mint cond. still got taylors chalk marks showing where to insert button holes etc. Sadly the makers label is slightly miss printed. Will photo. shortly. The lining is allso stamped with WD and arrow with 958 underneath. Size 1, for smock size 1 2 3 etc. L.SILBERSTON & SONS LTD LONDON SATEEN 1959 The wooden toggle on mine is dyed green. When I bought mine the trader had a box full, (about three years back) Hope of help. Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hi Jon. Looks like I've got one, just need the smock to go with it.Mint cond. still got taylors chalk marks showing where to insert button holes etc. Sadly the makers label is slightly miss printed. Will photo. shortly. The lining is allso stamped with WD and arrow with 958 underneath. Size 1, for smock size 1 2 3 etc. L.SILBERSTON & SONS LTD LONDON SATEEN 1959 The wooden toggle on mine is dyed green. When I bought mine the trader had a box full, (about three years back) Hope of help. Andy. Andy - which trader was that out of interest?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Jon - the last bit of kit I need to finish off my collection!! I have not seen a 1960 pattern specific hood. The version that I believe was for use with 60 pattern was issued as part of the 52 pattern kit - 'Hood Attachable For Smocks Combat' or 'Hood Combat Attachable' Here is a link and a description: http://josephs-militaria-and-homefront-collection.co.uk/PAGE47.HTML If anyone has one and wants to sell - please drop me a PM! I have just found that site myself..lol :cool2: That what got me asking. Some interesting information but still not sure on the 90 pattern, some confusion between whetehr it is 90 or 94 pattern or even both!! Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eaglehurst Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 Jon - it is a little confusing as the pattern and then the issue of kit (both of which can be referred to as patterns!) can be different. 90 pattern camo but 94 issue kit 50 pattern green but 52 pattern kit 60 pattern kit but in 66 pattern dpm etc.... For the Korean war British parkas - there is 50 pattern camo; 51 pattern and 52 pattern parkas (which are very different from each other!) Still keeps things interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Andy - which trader was that out of interest?!! Can not remember where or who. But was a little show and a trader I think who had just general car bits and pieces and a box or two of mil. stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airportable Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Jon - the last bit of kit I need to finish off my collection!! I have not seen a 1960 pattern specific hood. The version that I believe was for use with 60 pattern was issued as part of the 52 pattern kit - 'Hood Attachable For Smocks Combat' or 'Hood Combat Attachable'] QUOTE, Here is a couple of pics. of one in my collection. Intresting though that mine is dated 59' Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Just to add - what I have never seen, or even heard of, but I am sure must exist is a 66 pattern (DPM variant of the 60 pattern) DPM hood. Smocks and trousers in this pattern are rare enough and were supposedly only issued between 66 and 68 and only then to active units in N/Ireland. If anyone knows better I am happy to be corrected on any of the above - particularly the existence of the hood! We were meant to hand in our DPM hoods along with our Jap caps late 702 - early 80s. I let the Jap cap go but hung on to the hood cos I found if I stretched it just a little I could get it to fit over a helmet then pull the drawstring tight, then with the helmet scrim over the top, it looked far warrier then a plain helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer nut Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Does any one actualy have a set of 52 pattern combat smock and trousers also the 1950 bush jacket?? ta Jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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