Chris Aldous Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Hi all I friend of mine has asked me to look out for something at Beltring. He needs a 1939-40ish Ford V8 Flat Head Engine...24 Stud with cast iron bell housing. He has been lead to believe that these engines were used in some sort of Military Vehicle, not sure if British or US...and could also have been used post war by the French....but maybe in Wartime vehicles Does anyone know what vehicles would have had these engines Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 What size (probably in Cu Inches) was it Chris - I'll see if the archivists here at work have any data going!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 The flat head V8 engine was used in the Ford WOA cars and WOT range of trucks (8cwt,15cwt,30cwt, 3ton 4x4and 3ton6x4) and also in the Bren carrier. The engine was based on the pre war 22hp engine but for military purposes was uprated to 30hp. These were the old RAC ratings, BHP rating was 85. I can't confirm the no of studs but since it was a cast iron unit the bell housing was probably the same. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Aldous Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 Hi Guys not sure what cubic inch it is...i will try and find out. sound like it was in a few vehicles, so maybe there will be some luck I am told it was also in a Blitz....it is probably a case of being in the right place at the right time....still having things on a list to look for always makes W&P more fun....might be a mare getting it home if i find one though cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Chris, Just saw this on MilWeb's feature about Beltring: The Tunnel Of Rummage Comes to Beltring - stands C17 C18RR recently moved premises and during the mammoth clear out and tidy up a huge amount of hitherto forgotten military vehicle spares and accessories was discovered – some of which hadn’t seen the light of day since the last Ruddington sales..... Items like Butler blackout and headlamps, SCR508 radios, Jeep aerial sets, GMC floor mats (every Jimmy needs one!) recon Bedford RL engines, Ferret periscopes, Dingo engines, V8 flatheads, jeep and AFV sun compasses. Plus many more stillages of spares, obscure and common for vehicles WW2 to present day - just come and rummage. We will take our usual comprehensive range of War Paint and canvas waterproofer. Might be of interest/worth a phone call to RR Services???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Chris, as far as I know the pre-war engines were 21-stud, not 24. The Ford V8 Flathead was fitted to a huge number (100,000's) of vehicles manufactured by Ford Canada during WW2, ranging from cars & trucks to tracked carriers. Ford in the UK manufactured huge numbers of V8 powered vehicles as well. Seeing that your friend does not know these details, I guess he's looking for an engine for a hot rod? After WW2, the French fitted the 24-stud V8 engine in the SUMB truck, many of which are now sold on the collector's market. They have various refinements over the WW2 engines and are the one to choose if originality is of no importance. As noted above, RR Services sells parts for these French trucks, incl. engines. As a matter of fact, there's a take-out engine advertised for UKP 1000 on MilWeb as we speak. Hope this helps, Hanno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Aldous Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Hi all thanks for the info The car it's going into is a 39 Ford. They already have a 21 stud engine....but apparently that is the wrong one....they seem to be quite sure it should be a 24 stud one..... Now RR's name has been mentioned I have got vague recollection of there being engines on pallets in front of their stall last year....so that is a definate good leads, thanks for that i think it will need to be a case of not buying anything unless they are absolutely sure cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Chris, They should be looking for a 24-stud engine because it has more hp (100 vs. 85 for the 21-stud), plus more upgrading potential. A post-war French Flathead is the thing to go for in their case! Hanno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Aldous Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 cool...thanks Hanno looks like that's settled then....French 24 stud it should be cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 There was a load of these engines in a scrap yard down the road from our cottage in Normandy which is about 4 miles out of Lessay on the Coutances road if you do not get fixed up give me a shout as I am going out there in 10 days C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Aldous Posted July 15, 2006 Author Share Posted July 15, 2006 Hi Commander will do...thanks for that cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Chris - did you see the French flat-head RR Services had on their stall at Beltring??? No idea as to price but it WAS for sale there!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Aldous Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share Posted July 30, 2006 Hi Neil yes saw that one...it was £1550....bit too much for me....well bit more than a bit The Dodge Command car they had was more interesting...I would really like one of those...that was £9000 though cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 Had a good look under that Dodge and it was patched and needed a lot of work doing to get your money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woa2 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I have 2 wartime Ford V8 vehicles, both English. They each have a 21 stud engine as they were made in Dagenham and are 3622cc. The 24 stud engine was built in Canada, and was 3.91 litres. The French V8 engines fitted to the SUMB are based on the 24 stud engine, but I believe nothing is interchangeable with the older wartime engine. Both the 21 and 24 stud engines are correct for 1939/40, but you just have to remember where they originated for the vehicle you intend to use them for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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