afvnut75 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Can anyone shed any light on the chieftain 2000 on withams tender ie does anyone know what that status of it is ie is it a runner ? And would it be a better here and now investment rather than waiting for the challengers to come out ? And how could i hide it from the misses ? Your thoughts please on this ! as it could be my first mbt. :sweat: thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 There won't be any Challenger 1's, they all went to Jordan, and I think you'll be waiting a very very long time for a Challenger 2. Does it really matter if it runs or not? You can always fit a new pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 These are wise words! but would it be a late chieftain pack that sits under those decks as the hull is dated 1967 ? and who would be the best person to get a pack from ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 afvnut75 And how could i hide it from the misses ? You can't:( camo nets don't work and it could cause a divorce -it wouldn't be the first. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I'm sure Withams have a few packs they could sell you! You need to bid with the worst case scenario in mind, i.e. allow for a new pack, wheels, track, etc. I'd want to view it before bidding though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 i bet withams would want alot for the packs ? And other than wheels and tracks is their anything else thats important to look for one one of these mbts ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I think you'd be looking at £2000+ for a pack, whoever you bought it from. There are plenty of things that can go wrong, brakes, steering, gearbox, electrics, you'll need a big wallet and some heavy lifting gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Dear AFVNUT, I think you are a brave man for considering such a beast. I hope for your sake you have the following:- Deep pockets, a secure covered preferably heated workshop, available paid minions or a bevy of skilled friends, an unlimited supply of beer to pay said friends, something of equal or larger size as a recovery vehicle when it breaks down in the back 40 acres. We have CVR(T) and they are in my humble opinion along with the venerable 432 about the largest tracked vehicle any sane person would own with reasonable ease. The question that races through my mind rather than buying an unkown why not have a go at the one on MILWEB that is already a known runner? I wish you luck my son Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well im planning to sell off my fv 432 rarden and saracen mk6 kremlin should i get it as it would be the pride of my collection i think then the misses wouldnt mind so much but this might turn out to be a game of mechanised chess :sweat: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Robin is entirely correct. I take it you have the 40 acres to go with it? Not to mention the low loader required to move it about? You can't drive one on the roads, and you'll need a lot of open space to get it up to speed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 Well i did have the idea of ringing duxford military vehicle wing as i know them very well as i used to work there from 1997 onwards in the hope that they would jump at the chance of allowing me to keep it there but im not sure if they have 40 acres to spare more like 20 but it would be a benefit to them and to me i always think ahead and have a plan b guess it all might hang on their answer . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 afvnut just sent pm to you r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I think you'd be looking at £2000+ for a pack, whoever you bought it from. There are plenty of things that can go wrong, brakes, steering, gearbox, electrics, you'll need a big wallet and some heavy lifting gear. I read it as having a Rolls V12 not the Leyland and I doubt there are many of those available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 No the hull was a standard Mk10 03EB35 the RR engined variant was the Chieftain 900, the turret and hull of Chieftain 900 were de-coupled and the hull 56MS78 went to Lulworth as a target and the 900 turret was fitted to 03EB35 and was used in tests by Marconi and BAE systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 We have CVR(T) and they are in my humble opinion along with the venerable 432 about the largest tracked vehicle any sane person would own with reasonable ease. Robin Are you saying I'm insane? Actually come to think of it......:nut: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 No the hull was a standard Mk10 03EB35 the RR engined variant was the Chieftain 900, the turret and hull of Chieftain 900 were de-coupled and the hull 56MS78 went to Lulworth as a target and the 900 turret was fitted to 03EB35 and was used in tests by Marconi and BAE systems. So does that mean then that the one that withams have up for sale is leyland engined or rr ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 yes, it should be a Leyland L60 No4 Mk13A and a Tn12 Mk4 gearbox, unless some-one fitted something else while it was a test vehicle, but I imagine the tests had to do with the turret, radio or sights- its easier moving the turret around on a tank hull rather than anything else -although at the Newcastle BAE plant (formerly Vickers) warrior turrets were moved around on turretless Abbot prototype. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVRTNick Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 Just to remind you that a Chieftain has 2 engines a donkey engine to start the main pack & Alpha 13 packs are the best/latest model of a bad bunch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 Well after a long period of weighing up the pros and con ive decided to to go for the chieftian 2000 as after some of you have rightly mentioned it would be easier just to get a mk 10 or an chieftain arrv thats a known runner, And hopefully later on in the near future i will be able to acquire enough space and money to own and run successfully one of these green and black bruts . Thank you all for giving me advice about this vehicle over the time that i put up my request about the said vehicle . im really grateful for your input on the subject . regards cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afvnut75 Posted January 6, 2010 Author Share Posted January 6, 2010 Sorry i ment to put not go for the chieftian 2000 laptops dropping me in it again ! thanks once again cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Well, I think its very sad that a vehicle with this one's history isn't in the Bovington Tank Museum. Oh, I forgot, they're spending all their money on the Tiger.........perhaps Kevin Wheatcroft will buy it, perhaps not, he's busy with a boat at present. Some years ago, I spotted a Chieftain 900 on the range at Lulworth awaiting "the treatment" as a hard target, equally sad. You might have noticed I'm keen on BRITISH hardware, I cannot understand why there is SO much money spent on the Tiger, only that it brings in the punters, I guess. We had a tank that was unreliable, over-engineered, and cumbersome like the Tiger-the Conqueror, and they don't make a fuss about it at all. If you've never heard and seen a Conqueror on the move you might not understand, but it sounded and looked GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Forgot to mention the 900 at Lulworth had a turret on it when I saw it, I'll search out a photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Chieftain 900 at Lulworth some years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meteor mark 4B Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Of course I could be corrected on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Of course I could be corrected on this! You're correct no heater in the Chieftain, no doubt the pencil pushers at MOD had a nice centrally heated office when they thought that one up, The Chieftain 2000 turret came off 56MS78 Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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