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Afraid not so. If you have a good look at the link I put up you will see the extent of this contract. The rear crane is for self load-unload of both the prime mover or anything under tow. . There are several here at RAF Leuchars but they belong to 71 Eng regt which is resident here they do not belong to the RAF. They are to be found on several RAF stations but they belong to lodger Army units. a Typical load of the prime movers with the rear crane are sections of matting, light plant etc. TED

The IVECO in the pic is now the standard vehicle for the REs, http://www.alcvehicles.com/index.php and with them is a new green paint finish ?? TED

They are Thornycroft Nubians of an RAF Regt Sqn.

In the first shot are L to RE , Standard Vanguard Pickup with tilt, Willys then the LR. Obviously an RAF regt Sqn which was under control of F/12- Fighter Command 12 Group. Other types include Thorny Nubian 3 t 4x4, Bedford QL, Bedford MW and trying to hide in a couple of shots Fordson WOT2 cracking shots, thanks for sharing TED

Mark do you want me to remove the pic, I downloaded it from a vehicle website- but I cannot recall which one TED

I found this one of one in preservation; But I don't have a date or location I am afraid. TED

Keith, I think you will find its an ARP ambulance. Hundreds were built modifying large cars. Carried 4 stretchers normally, TED ps Alan House former chief officer of Hants Fire did a great book with hundreds of pics of ARP CD type stuff still avvailible

CLIVE thank you. for interest MXD 442 is a post war K2 with the Loadstar type cab. When CD was reformed in 48/9 MAFF set up new Food Flying Squads, They started to receive their new vehicles in Aug 1951. Based on the later K2 were Canteen vans as described which facilitated the serving of hot beverages and light refreshments, Catering Stores vans that carried equipment to set up emergency kitchens and 200gal drinking water tankers. Painted Light French Blue to BS 175. In 1953 the MAFF markings were removed and CD badges applied. . God what A mind of daft info I am !!! regards TED,

Clive would you kind enough to see if GXH 331 Austin is in the catalogue for Ruddington 100 please TED

The first blue lights & 2 tones were fitted in 1975 to some of the Scottish Office fleet to GGs allocated to the "Green Companies" At the onset of the 77/78 strike blue lights were fitted to most GGs by the end of the first weekend. Few had 2 tones fitted. I was a crew commander in Hull for the 9 week duration, I gave up sitting in the O i/c seat it was too much like hard work on the arms !! - we never received 2 tones. The 1980 upgrade included a rewire and various lighting upgrades, 2 tones were fitted as part of the upgrade and to facilitate this the bells were removed. In the 1980 upgrade the 2 tones are mounted on the bell support frame. I have dozens of photos taken in the sheds at Marchington after all the GGs were centralised there in 1990 and there is not a bell to be seen. In 1996 I was doing some work at the Scottish Office GG store, just before they disposed of their fleet and aquired the last bell they had hidden away, I am pleased to report it is now safely residing on a preserved GG in Wales. My claim to fame is I was one of only a handful of servicemen to be directly involved in both the 1977/8 & 2002/3 national strike operations. TED

Colating the history of MoS and subsequent WO- MoD etc sales would be a mammoth task, From my notes, sales were held at many other locations even whilst Ruddington sales were ongoing. re The non- Ruddington sales, the items were at a wide range of locations; I think these locations will include every HO store & sub Store, The MPBW Main Store/ Depot, and sub locations; and every Army, RAF and RN establishment. I saw catologes at the Scottish office of sales held in the north of England & Scotland which included items lying at every type of Ministry location one could imagine in those geographic areas. Seeing Wantage & Culham in Clive's list -for those interested in RAF plant and vehicles, when the RAF Airfield Construction Branch and Air Ministry Works Dept were disbanded, a lasrge proportion of their assetts were tranferred to the newly formed MPBW and were allocated reg numbers in the ***FUV & FUW blocks, subsequently, and when the MPBW under the DoE/PSA title got rid of all the assetts they went via the MoD sales. The residue of the ACB & AMWD assetts went to the REs with most receiving **BT** army reg numbers. Dave one port of call may be to contact the auctioneers that you can itentify from the catologes that have been posted on the threads. TED

UPDATE. I have had some feedback from e mails I sent. GYR 762 also served at Malton and Guisborough. The Kirkbymoorside Station opened in New Road in the early 1950s and was on the same site as the current one. She was definately at Kirkbymoorside in 1967 . Believed she soldiered on much later than other ex Army QLs and was still on the books of N Riding in 1970. So it might be worth writing to Malton fire station and Guisborough. But note due to boundary changes, Guisborough is now a Cleveland fire service station. TED

Champer, welcome, afraid it doesn't look as if your truck saw service at Ripon. But I have good news; Firstly some background : For unitary purposes the geographic county of Yorkshire was divided into 3 seperate authorities, East Riding, West Riding & North Riding. These QL machines were originally passed to the National Fire Service in 1945/6 and on denationalisation in 1948 they passed to the newly formed local authority brigades. GYR 762 was at Station B10 of the newly formed "North Riding County Fire Brigade", The address of Station B10 was The White Horse Public House, Kirkbymoorside. At some point later Station B10 relocated to a purpose built station in NEW ROAD , Kirkbymooreside (this was pre 1964). I think we can safely assume that GYR762 would have been at Kirkbymooreside with the NFS and that the pub or adjacent pub buildings was a location taken during the war for the much expanded fire service. I have taken this info from the fleet list of the N Riding brigade on its formation in 1948. I also have a 1964 fleet list and your machine was no longer on the brigade strength. In local authority service most of the QLs were being sold off by the late 1950s with a few surviving until the mid 1960s. If I learn or unearth anymore I will post. I have had a good look at Google Earth, the White horse Inn is still there, there is a back entrance which was possibly many years ago a courtyard, this may well have been where the fire vehicles were parked; The pub may have been chosen as the fire station as it would have already had a phone, would have had a room the fire service could take over and had a courtyard ??? There is currently a fire station on New Road but it is a fairly new construction. It will be worth writing to the Officer ic the fire station and to the Landlord at the pub. There may well be old photos hanging in either buildings. Many of these long established country fire stations have a fairly good record of their history. Another port of call could be the HQ of the N Yorks fire & rescue. I will contact some of my fire anorack contacts . TED

Hi Bill, a great piece of film, but its slightly misleading re the Fordsons; The RAF Armoured car companies were formed in the Middle East in 1921, The were crewed by a variety of trades. No 1 & No 2 are the most widely reported. THe Fordson film was taken to celebrate and record the taking of Fort Rutbah in june 1941. The RAF Regt was formed in Feb 1942, it was initially composed of men in the trade of ground gunner who had provided the close ground defence and light AA defence of aerodromes, The RAF Regiment greatly expanded and were even employed in an anti tank role in Italy ; However the Armoured Car Companies in the Middle East were never part of the RAF Regt during WW2, they remained an RAF assett not one of the Regt which was a seperate Corp within the RAF. It was not until 1946 and 1947 when No 1 & 2 ACC were absorbed into the Regt- much to the anger of its members who at the end of hostilities had been promised that the Middle East Armoured car companies would remain outside Regt control. I am about to embark on modelling a Fordson and then a RR, but which one of the dozen RAF versions ?????? regards, TED

Hi Richard, yes Eagle Engineering Co it is, the RAF only used 3 types of trailer chassis of that 2 axle style for a host of bodies, the 3.25 ton Brockhouse with torsion bar suspension and the 5 ton by Brockhouse (Mk2) & Eagle both with leaf spring. I think that is the 900 gal petrol tanker. I have the data sheet for that trailer but its not where it should be in the folders ! typical !! TED

Hey you know the definition of an expert !! Yes any time after about 1950 to 1963. They were still going through the auctions in 1963 !! If you zoom on the faces of the local lads I would say Malaysia; I would also say they were locally employed civillians of the Army Fire Service. - my only reservation is the size of the helmet badge ?? In almost all parts of the world in which the UK forces serve locally recruited lads served on the military fire services. On purely domestic stations they would form the majority of the strength, On many stations in Germany the far and middle east they formed about 40% of strength on flying stations. They were all very loyal people, I knew many in Cyprus and Germany. TED p.s just been looking at a couplew of mid 1950s piccies and the Cromwell helmet style and the huge basdge is the same as worn by the local lads in the previous shots.

THe RAF Fordsons are No 2 Armoured car Sqn attached to 11 Hussars as D sqn. the RAF RR car is Ramalah and all the army shots are 11 hussars. most are from the library of congress and are Palestine . Its easy to google then do searches using Palestine Armoured cars etc loads of british army stuff from thaty era

2 great shots thanks. <BR>Dusty I have GYR 715 as Liecs joint so that is another one accounted for, Dusty get that crew on a fizzer no helmet belt axe what ever is going on !!! <BR><BR>TED

2 great shots thanks. Dusty I have GYR 715 as Liecs joint so that is another one accounted for, Dusty get that crew on a fizzer no helmet belt axe what ever is going on !!! TED

This may well be the answer, in darker colours a sheen change often give a massive visual change of appearance. No longer Barlow- have a look at this link full of fantastic stuff. http://www.alcvehicles.com/index.php TED

Recent deliveries of vehicles and plant to the Royal Engineers appear to be a different shade of green- any clues please TED

It "appears" they were delivered in Signal red, then to green as required. Although at least 2 RAF G stations went green in 71 the bulk of Strike command & RAF G didn't follow until 73-4. The TACT T was a 71 baby. The proto which did trials at, and then remained at Catterick ( then the RAF Fire school )was in red, I have a photo of it just after delivery. .

Initially the TAC-T trailers ran with the vehicles reg as it was never envisaged they would be seperated in use. However on units such as the Germany Harrier Force trailers could be swapped to overcome shortfalls in the fleet. e.g. a trailer from one is off the road and a prime mover from another. If a trailer was simply swapped its maintenance etc history would be lost as it was recorded against the prime mover. The desicion was made to give trailers got their own reg numbers; this was after a few months in service. TED

Here is an ex Army Fire Service QL in service early 1949 with Liverpool City brigade. The trailer pump is a Harland, these were one of the less common types. In Army service the QL tender always tows a Dennis large trailer pump. The pump in the back of the QL is a Coventry Climax FSM 3. THe QL in the attached is GYR 782 a near sister to the ex Lancs FB GYR 786 now under restoration. TED

Here is an ex Army Fire Service QL in service early 1949 with Liverpool City brigade. The trailer pump is a Harland, these were one of the less common types. In Army service the QL tender always tows a Dennis large trailer pump. The pump in the back of the QL is a Coventry Climax FSM 3. THe QL in the attached is GYR 782 a near sister to the ex Lancs FB GYR 786 now under restoration. TED