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where from ??? we go down regular from Humberside to Steve at Dallas Autos and also to a collector in Membury

Some of the best dead men are those that sprout up naturally trees. I have used these many times and had some big successes with them. Having said that I am no expert on them and I feel sure there are many people more experienced on here that will be able to give a lot more advice on which to use. All I know is always use a soft strap round them to avoid the wrath of tree huggers. Don’t use trees that are on the edge of dykes and try and stay clear of conifers. Even small bushes will stand the strain of using a snatch block to cause a slight change of angle. Another thing that sprouts up is street furniture e.g. road Signs Street lights These are a definite no no they are designed to fall over at the slightest bump motor way crash barrier falls in this category also Telegraph poles and electric poles are also a definite no although well planted they can’t stand any shock loading e.g. a chain straightening out. They will snap like a carrot and not where you would think either but about a third of the way up. Next some artificial dead men. The ones supplied with army vehicles with the drive in spikes seem to do an excellent job and on the few I have seen on the training videos’ hold some large loads. I have never used them so I cant comment, I have done a drawing at the top you can see a method of making a dead man by digging a T shaped trench that comes from an army training manual. I have used this method a lot usually with the benefit a digger doing the spade work. I can vouch for this set up it will stand some pull. A couple of tips though make the long side of the T as long and shallow a gradient as possible and keep the pull to it long and low. Below this is an adaptation of this using the spare wheel and a piece of timber with the strop passed through the hole in the middle of the wheel this will work ok on 4X4s [ATTACH=CONFIG]41546[/ATTACH]

Could not agree more a little bit of work will save a lot of grief later on. With my commercial head on we are getting paid to reduce strain on rigging and prevent damage to casualty. But surely a bit of thought and effort in all recovery jobs even between friends must pay off in the end. Alas jobs like this are not uncommon i have personally seen a loaded overturned milk tanker cut in half by an over zelous farmer with a crawler and wire rope. Proabley once a month we go out to vehicles that have been damaged more or put into worse situations by well meaning people who have plenty of bravado but no knowledge. Not discourageing any one from having a go but spend as much time thinking it through as you do rigging up and dont let anyone interfer and try make YOU SPEED JOB UP

Hey managed to get it working.(the vidieo) As i mentioned dont think this job was going to happen right from the begining even if they had found something strong enough to hang to. But i think it would probably have worked out if they had only two more simple pieces of kit. A snatch block and a dead man. If you look at the vidieo they have a good long length of rope plus in the background there are plenty of other 4x4s the biggest and heaviest of these could easily have acted as the dead man. So a snatch block could easily have made a lot of difference in this case (plus hanging on to vehicle in right place). People think to use a snatch block you have to have a winch wrong the snatch block is one of the most important pieces of kit in the recovery industries toolbox. As long as you have a deadman to hang to you can double the pulling power of any vehicle you own. So say i was a 4x4 owner who did a bit of off roading in groups before i invested in a winch i would buy a decent rope and a nice new snatch block to match. Subtle point here if you do what i have just suggested and use another 4x4 as a dead man make sure they dont try pulling at the same time as you but simply sit with thier foot on the brake otherwise you have lost the advantage of the snatch block and you will end up with two 4x4s spinning for grip

When I opened up the post no 469 I suggested it was also relevant to the job below in video link. I know this was not in restricted surroundings but the basic principles are the same. At first glance it appears that the guy has actually done one thing right and hung on to it in the quadrant that is supplying some lift to the low side and pulling at what could be the right angle. But as the video goes on you can see this is not the case confirmed by the fact it almost turns the vehicle over at one point. It is also further confirmed when the axle breaks free and you can see the rope is hung to the high side front hanger. I have mentioned this so I can raise a point I have made before when doing a recovery on most vehicles use the axles to hang to. Why? Usually when a vehicle gets stuck it’s the axle that is creating the resistance not the chassis or the bodywork. Therefore you are putting the power directly into the axle the hangers chassis are only taking the resistance created by the next axle back I doubt in this case with the tackle being used that it could have been recovered successfully but it would not have pulled the axle off the chassis. To go over it again if you look at the video it is the chassis that has been pulled of the stuck axle not the other way round Hope that makes sense. Also put another link to another clip this is the same scenario trying to recover the chassis when it’s the axles that’s stuck Cant get link to work for how not to recover a jeep to work help please

Dont mind me asking whats the problem with it is it you cant get on with it or its a mechanical thing

I am relaying info whispered into my ear from someone half my age (my younger son) who buys and sells trucks for export in a small way. He tells me there is still a market for 680 engines as long as they are complete with no holes in them big enough to put your head in

yes forgot about Daf the 2800 engine was based on the 680 with a turbo same again hard to find though most went years ago to Africa still fetch good money for export

Dont know if its true but was told early Scania 110 engines were licence built Leyland 680s with a turbo on even down to imperial sizes. Having said that 110 engines are thin on the ground now

Another couple of pictures showing recovery on narrow road., when I did diagram showing basic theory I did as though recovering from the front and I stressed the importance of the CG and where you could winch or lift etc. I never mentioned steering and pointing it in the direction you want the vehicle to go. This was for a simple reason if you are correctly positioned it does not matter a great deal the vehicle will still go the direction the winch is pulling it. When pulling from the rear of a rigid vehicle it is different story though the steering does matter if possible you want the wheels pointing as shown in second picture. This seems alien to some people as they think about steering the back end on to the road. Forget about the back end it will go where the winch takes it. Putting the steering axle(s) as shown means it will climb the bank/ come out of the mud quicker. Like I say seems alien to the well meaning observers who give advice and always appear on these sorts of jobs but try it works [ATTACH=CONFIG]40894[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]40895[/ATTACH]

had a word tonight with our supplier tonight he will get full details but 12v 360 strobe beacon will work on 6v. only difference is flash rate will check see if its all legal and let me know alternativly give these guys a try will answer your questions on leds as well as beacons http://www.visionalert.co.uk/products/productresults.aspx?catId=230&menuId= i also am in a position to quote if you see anythng you fancy

Fasinated when i saw this post pre war UK designed product drawn in mm although Hole sizes are in imperial dimensions

If you Goggle 6V amber beacons there are some led ones that run of 6V dry cell battery. These would do the job fine at about £12. ( Dare not mention they are designed for marking skips when dropped on roads).

I have never seen a 6V rotating beacon having said that we have virtually done away with rotating beacons and gone on to flashing 360 strobes. These use far less current. Sure one of the technical people on here can think of converting 12v with sutable resistor or something

Opps been corrected it had been registered I thought the USA 484 faintly painted on the front bumper was a milatry marking

here is a little towing job i did for a belguim customer. I thought it was in remakable condition all though it had never been registered so wasnt road legal it was on the button and sounded good. Anybody know the vehicle i picked it up in Lancashire and delivered to customers home [ATTACH=CONFIG]40748[/ATTACH]

if you arnt bothered about having a hedge cordless with 1/8 drill and syringe full of gromoxone works wonders

This isnt a towing or recovery job but check it it out. How long can he go before his luck runs out. Any body on the this forum got to this level of skill with ex MOD drawbar trailer

simple bigger/more balls than 50mm

Talking of Numbskulls Here is something else to reflect on. Vehicle manufacturers and military spend billions on RD in to making vehicles travel off road in unsuitable conditions WHY??? Available over the counter at lots of high street stores is an electronic device that fits in to your vehicle from around £100 and gets you places most sane people wouldn’t dream of going. The beauty of it is if you get stuck its not the your fault it’s Sat Navs That’s what had happened to the box van in previous post. Here is another This one was fully loaded 44 tons 1500 miles from home 1 ½ miles from a metalled road and had gone over a unmanned gated level crossing travelled ½ mile on a river bank then around the edge of three fields only stopped when his clutch failed. But ten out of ten for effort Took best part of day to turn it round back the way it had come and back on to hard ground [ATTACH=CONFIG]40642[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]40643[/ATTACH]

I thought it was a lot more than £10,000 but i dont know. Pretty much as Police forces work i think also the armed forces????. I thought a bond was deposited with lloyds then you stood all claims against you

Something to reflect on all the best kit in the world amounts to nothing if the person using it is a numbskull. Just watched this clip makes me want to cry and by the look of the kit he is driving he reckons to be a recovery operator. PS turn the volume down if easily offended.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kt_r-jO3lKE [YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kt_r-jO3lKE

A few more showing jobs recovered using methods i described. Although not all have limited room to work all take into account where the CG and more then anything this will dictate where you hang to when winching and lifting. [ATTACH=CONFIG]40625[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]40626[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]40627[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]40628[/ATTACH]

To use Shania Twains words "dont impress me none" but still open minded

Sorry i have never used them or seen them in use so i cant comment. The two people who i learnt the most off in recovery both old timers who had served late in ww11 and later in recovery roles both dismissed them and said no steady sustained pull is what you need. To the piont when they came about i wasnt allowed to buy one and experiment. (my dad was one of the old timers). But i am still willing to learn if any body can show me any advantages to them