Sloppy Link Posted March 26, 2021 Share Posted March 26, 2021 16H on mil web, any knowledge on here? Seems reasonable to me, I may take him up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchlesswdg3 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The owner, Tony Lawrence is of course very well known in MV circles and has been MC at many events such as The War & Peace Show and Combined 'Ops. So it hardly likely to be anything other than a genuine sale although if you want a totally pukka 16H, then thats up to your judgement. I am sure Tony would give you an honest opinion of what he knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloppy Link Posted March 28, 2021 Author Share Posted March 28, 2021 Thanks, I’ve done a bit more research, seems fair to me. Have to get wifey to agree now. I’ll give him a call and hopefully go for a visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloppy Link Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share Posted March 31, 2021 Wifey said yes....but too late, I missed it. How about the desert painted model on flea bay, is there any knowledge there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchlesswdg3 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Well that one may be a reasonable bet, but really you need to ask someone who knows the 16H and best to get the engine and frame numbers as well. Ron Pier who comes on here would be a better person to ask. Post the query on the Motorcycles section in the Vehicles part of this site and ask him.......or someone to give you a heads up on the photos at least. Title it "Plea for help - Norton 16H" . That will get them looking! The link to the bike is https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Norton-16h-WD-1939/184735649226?hash=item2b031a4dca:g:Ab0AAOSw7H9gY4Ih Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 I already saw the post Ferg. My initial reaction which I was reluctant to post was, "Top money for a very shabby bike with quite a few wrong parts". I see it as a restoration project which could easily cost another couple of Grand........And a hunt for all the correct period/WD parts.......Unless you like it as it is? My thoughts are that once a 'For Sale' bike reaches a certain value, everyone else thinks theirs must be worth that amount....Regardless of condition.....Can't blame anyone for trying of course. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sloppy Link Posted April 1, 2021 Author Share Posted April 1, 2021 Thanks. I’m looking for a green one to be honest, the prospect of stripping down and resprsy didn’t fill me with glee. I’m a ridist, not a purist. Really cross at missing Tony’s, one will come along. I want to get into LHG/re-enactments when this madness is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matchlesswdg3 Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 If you are interested in a specific marque, then it pays to join the relevant Owners Club to get advice and also post a want advert on their forum. Best way to get a decent bike at a fair price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) Yes, really needs a restoration, the hinge in the rear mudguard is also not original, but as a plus, looks like a Norton Big 4 saddle on it, that I would be very interested in! Toolbox is the very nice early one, I wonder what the framenumber on it is? Cheers, Lex Edited April 3, 2021 by welbike additional info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 There is a better looking M20 on ebay for about the same money. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BSA-WM20-500cc-64-CORP-MILITARY-BIKE-WITH-ONLY-250-MILES-FROM-NEW/265107588684?hash=item3db9a4c64c:g:4cgAAOSwi-dgZKqQ Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Ha, Ron, but it's just a lowly M20, not a pukka 16H! and only 250 miles ridden, a red herring for sure, because all the problems will start after 500 miles! Cheers, Lex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Going by the seller's blurb, It looks like the bike has had a new frame and possibly new crankcases. To explain my thoughts, according to the MoS Rebuild plate that the seller quotes, the 'chassis' number is 31BW/24 and the plate shows it had a Class 1 rebuild in May 1957 and followed by 'ASH'. All this info points to it having be overhauled at 31 Base Workshops REME at Ashford Middlesex. This workshop was under threat of closure shortly after that date, think maybe it closed in 1958. So not a fully genuine unissued bike. But it looks very good and has many details as my own one. Also note that someone has grafted on a Butler blackout on to the original headlamp rim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) Well, I cannot possibly read the rebuild plate, but I will see what the ERM number was according to the frame number. Oops, the ERM number is in the description, will have a look. Lex Edited April 3, 2021 by welbike additional info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Something else worthy of note was that 31 Base Wksp was the only army workshop rebuilding unarmoured vehicles at that time (1957) as all other work was done by contractors for Min of Supply. This indicates they may well have been building up vehicle/motorcycles from old parts and new stores to keep them busy due to the threat of closure, so a new frame and possibly engine is not unknown. I have seen this sort of thing before on other vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Ok, the frame number is indeed listed as that in the Key Cards, it had C456435 as the C number, and the last users were the 1st Foresters, it was struck off at 26-06-1963 So if it were rebuilt, between 1944 and 1948 it would have had another C number, one that started with 14. so I personally think, the guy who wrote up the info for the Key Cards, noted down some casting number? Spare frames, came without any number..... Wasn't ASH, Ashchurch? just going from memory here, so could be wrong. Cheers, Lex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, welbike said: Ok, the frame number is indeed listed as that in the Key Cards, it had C456435 as the C number, and the last users were the 1st Foresters, it was struck off at 26-06-1963 So if it were rebuilt, between 1944 and 1948 it would have had another C number, one that started with 14. so I personally think, the guy who wrote up the info for the Key Cards, noted down some casting number? Spare frames, came without any number..... Wasn't ASH, Ashchurch? just going from memory here, so could be wrong. Cheers, Lex Lex, The Key Card No.2 would have had the details of the vehicle at time of change over from Census numbers, ie c1949. So anything that happened after that date would have been recorded in the vehicle's documents, ie all repairs, modifications, inspections and so on. I spent many years working in a REME vehicle workshop and aware of the procedures etc. Regarding this particular bike, the mention of 31BW and ASH indicate what I put in the previous post about Ashford Middlesex. Ashchurch was a RAOC Vehicle Depot and not a Base Workshop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Ok, fair enough, there is a difference in workshops and sales locations ofcourse. Thanks, Lex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 44 minutes ago, welbike said: Ok, fair enough, there is a difference in workshops and sales locations ofcourse. Thanks, Lex Lex, Where you see 'ASH' on the right side of the Key Card with disposal date, this would indicate that a vehicle struck off was at Ashchurch Vehicle Storage Depot. Even more confusing was that the were two REME workshops located at places named Ashford, one in Middlesex and the other in Kent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 OK, Richard, I will check! no worries, Lex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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