Surveyor Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The mechanics have got the cylinder head off and found this plate. Can see date, but not sure of anything else, know Ruxy is interested as well Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 It's the reconditioning plate. When an MoD engine is reconditioned a data plate is affixed stating the code of the workshop where it was reconditioned, the date and the details of the work undertaken. Then the whole engine is put back together and sprayed duck-egg blue - as yours is. In your case it seems that the cylinder bores are still standard while the main bearings and the big ends have been honed by 10 thou. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 6 hours ago, 10FM68 said: It's the reconditioning plate. When an MoD engine is reconditioned a data plate is affixed stating the code of the workshop where it was reconditioned, the date and the details of the work undertaken. Then the whole engine is put back together and sprayed duck-egg blue - as yours is. In your case it seems that the cylinder bores are still standard while the main bearings and the big ends have been honed by 10 thou. 10 68 Thanks, slowly piecing the information together, taking a step further I assume the serial number then is the number of reconditioned engines this factory did prior to this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk3iain Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Surely it's the serial number of the engine, stops the plate being put on the wrong one, for whatever reason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 46 minutes ago, Mk3iain said: Surely it's the serial number of the engine, stops the plate being put on the wrong one, for whatever reason... I knew there was something I forgot to look for, the serial number on the engine, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Not like any plate I have seen before by such as ABRO or British Railways Engineering. At first blush I considered the plate had been cropped to fit at that location , but it seems too neat against the anodised lines , so probably not. They are often fitted with blind spline rivets or drive rivets on outside of the water jacket - a bit daft , at least at that position the cast iron will be thicker. A typical 2.5na engine No. would be such as prefix. 10J or 11J , mine is a 12J suffix C . A 15J would be Sherpa , 14J Black cab I know BR used to buy in spare engines to make up the numbers on reclaim , can't see the engine number at all, seems a bit long-winded for a workshop number or reconditioners code ? Edited March 8, 2019 by ruxy spelin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Got a similar plate on the engine in my 110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 REMANUFACTURED FOR D SP SYS CV ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, ruxy said: REMANUFACTURED FOR D SP SYS CV ? Sorry can you explain, grey funnel line Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I believe they were the Directorate Support Systems (Combat Support Vehicles) - now something entirely different in DE&S MoD possibly Director Land Support, (Vehicle Support), (OSVs) Operational Support Vehicles or somesuch. Here's another one, of similar design, on a Land Rover 2286cc engine refurbished at Rycroft Bks, Ashford, Kent (EC02) in the mid-80s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, Surveyor said: Sorry can you explain, grey funnel line Richard Well - if you look at the sirhc plate , you can see it is a generic (all makes) and it has been bent just under - REMANUFACTURED FOR D SP SYS CV , to get it to fit in the restricted space , as I surmised - it seems your plate has had this cropped off , to enable it to fit ? Yet , the sirhc plate does not have the details of the work done ref. crank grind undersize & any re-bore oversize. I can only think around the turn of the last century all was input to a database & you just keyed in the 'search' code. The word FOR does indicate a outside contractor did the work for what by then was called the SUPPLY CHAIN or something , DE&S (Defence Equipment & Support) , the handle ABRO seemed to vaporize – part of the MOD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Base_Repair_Organisation Read to just above the References , ABRO then became part of DARA & on & on ,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 9 hours ago, ruxy said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Base_Repair_Organisation Read to just above the References , ABRO then became part of DARA & on & on ,, Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 11 hours ago, 10FM68 said: I believe they were the Directorate Support Systems (Combat Support Vehicles) - now something entirely different in DE&S MoD possibly Director Land Support, (Vehicle Support), (OSVs) Operational Support Vehicles or somesuch. Here's another one, of similar design, on a Land Rover 2286cc engine refurbished at Rycroft Bks, Ashford, Kent (EC02) in the mid-80s Ruxy a correction, it was Rowcroft Barracks, which was 44 District Workshop REME at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said: Ruxy a correction, it was Rowcroft Barracks, which was 44 District Workshop REME at that time. Not Ruxy ---------------------- Actually ISTR it was you that sorted for me the fact that EC prefix on repair plates was "Eastern Counties" group of Army Workshops. I used to have to visit RAF & Army sites = Yorkshire up to Carlisle for many years inc. Catterick workshops but was never aware. I have the odd crated cartridge - I hope sound , & several 2286cc non-runners purchased from Misc. Auctions . British Railways Engineering - I have at least two & their plates were bonded on with something like Araldite, IIRC their reputation not so good but I have one in the Rover 10 and it is perfect. regards Tony Ruxy was chosen as handle on this forum as it was the family name for the Rover 10 - where the civvy Registration started RUX LoL Edited March 9, 2019 by ruxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Project Tithonus started 2007 , so it is probably not a refurbished engine by Hobson Industries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, ruxy said: Project Tithonus started 2007 , so it is probably not a refurbished engine by Hobson Industries. Ruxy Thanks for this lead, I have emailed Hobson but no response. Was looking to see if they or anyone had a breakdown of numbers, e.g. 110, defender 110 etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 16 hours ago, sirhc said: Got a similar plate on the engine in my 110. Just noticed the serial number on this plate is the same as on my plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Richard Farrant said: Ruxy a correction, it was Rowcroft Barracks, which was 44 District Workshop REME at that time. Sorry Richard, the mistake was mine. I meant Rowcroft! It was late at night. We've talked about this before - I knew it well from running my BFT round the place some years back! And, as you know, EC was Eastern Command, latterly Eastern District. Now, of course, it is all gone, though the manor remains among a lot of new houses. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Surveyor said: Just noticed the serial number on this plate is the same as on my plate It probably denotes the precise build stage / upgrade of the engine, there was a few differences to civilian spec. of same circa. Such as fitted with oil recovery cyclone (as invented by a REME Major) this was to prevent self-destruct when the inlet air paper filter became clogged with lub. oil. , also IIRC the injection pumps were slightly different (to accept such as aviation kerosene). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, ruxy said: It probably denotes the precise build stage / upgrade of the engine, there was a few differences to civilian spec. of same circa. Such as fitted with oil recovery cyclone (as invented by a REME Major) this was to prevent self-destruct when the inlet air paper filter became clogged with lub. oil. , also IIRC the injection pumps were slightly different (to accept such as aviation kerosene). Sounds logical to me, its great how a simple post develops like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) The original cyclones were steel & a bit of a 'collectors piece' , when adopted by Solihull - I think all theirs were plastic. Do you have one fitted ? Although my 2.5na is LR Spec. the inlet side I have fitted is Sherpa with drum style filter housing - so the filtration is adequate for public highway only , not inc. desert. I don't therefore have a cyclone fitted. Edited March 9, 2019 by ruxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ruxy said: The original cyclones were steel & a bit of a 'collectors piece' , when adopted by Solihull - I think all theirs were plastic. Do you have one fitted ? Although my 2.5na is LR Spec. the inlet side I have fitted is Sherpa with drum style filter housing - so the filtration is adequate for public highway only , not inc. desert. I don't therefore have a cyclone fitted. Being ignorant re engines but learning, could you explain, many thanks. My greatest challenge was changing the oil and filters which I went out and celebrated, I am in awe of the people on here who can weld rebuild etc Edited March 9, 2019 by Surveyor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prague1996 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I don't want to hijack the thread, like 10 68 I well remember running BFT's through Rowcroft. The Eurotunnel track runs through where the gates used to be that connected the 2x barracks....you can't stand in the way of progress unless you want to be hit by a train! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, Prague1996 said: I don't want to hijack the thread, like 10 68 I well remember running BFT's through Rowcroft. The Eurotunnel track runs through where the gates used to be that connected the 2x barracks....you can't stand in the way of progress unless you want to be hit by a train! I feel if something jogs memories it's acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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