greenlandy Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 OK stupid Question time.... Went to fit the earlier type shocks on the Sabre today, front hubs have different sized holes are these bushed or is it a new hub???? HELP want to get this on the road for Friday. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Matt, There should be a metalastic bush in the suspension arm with a plain rod sticking out. The link arm just slides on to this. - Grasshopper and Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Matt, There are 3 types of link arms. The early Armstrong & Messier ones are as Mike described and slide on to the pin. There is also a later Messier type which bolts through the trailing arm. It sounds like you had the later ones fitted and need to refit the pins. Post a photo of what you've got and I'll see if I can figure it out. Which dampers are you fitting? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Sorry, yes, our description was referring to the Armstrong install which is what we presume you're trying to achieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 We have the old style shocks to fit. I thought they JUST bolted straight through the hubs. . It's the bracket on the hub that's the problem :oops: one of them seems to have a smaller metal sleeve/bush. Sorry no photo's.........maybe able to do that tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/relish110/hub.jpg[/img] Just got this does it make things clearer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Matt, Yep you've had the bolted messier ones fitted. I have one of the missing pins here if you can't find some, you can probably get some made up quite easily using it as a pattern. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 Any idea why one side has a smaller diameter than the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Matt, You are missing item 21. The bolted type don't have these, they look like this http://images.thexmod.com/prod_pics_3/360-1.jpg[/img] The reason why one is bigger than the other is because one doesn't need the pivot pin and the other does. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooTallMike Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Any idea why one side has a smaller diameter than the other? Do you mean one side of the vehicle is different to the other or just the susp. arm hole vs. link arm hole diameters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 Item 21 is of a different size :dunno: why :? will be phoning Marcus Glenn in the morning to see what's on his shelves. Thanks for all of the help. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Different size how? External diameter? Internal diameter? It seems from your photo that you don't have an item 21 fitted at all! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 3, 2007 Author Share Posted June 3, 2007 Both sides are bushed. One side has a diameter a lot smaller than the other. Might whip have to one out of the Sultan to see what that looks like. Any idea what material item 21 is made of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Do you mean one side of the vehicle is different to the other or just the susp. arm hole vs. link arm hole diameters? ISTR (but stand to be corrected) that Panther (and therefore probably Tiger 1 and 2) torsion bars were leading on one side and trailing on the other so that the torsion bars on either side could extend across the full width of the vehicle without obstructing those on the other side or having the roadwheels differently-distanced down the side of the vehicle. In fact I am pretty sure the same thing applied to the Mark 3 and Mark 4 suspension too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 4, 2007 Share Posted June 4, 2007 Alien, The torsion bars on CVRT are full width. The wheel stations on one side of the vehicle are in slightly different positions than the other side. You only really notice it when you get underneath though. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 Managed to get some bushes turned out :-D but we couldn't get the barsteward Sabre to charge so she stayed at home. We raised loads of cash for the Air Ambulance Appeal in the Sultan taking people on an off-road course this weekend though :-). BIG BUT THOUGH :oops: Sultan rear idler sheared THREE bolts on the way home, looks like we could have lost the track :schocked: on a major A road!!!! Will post piccies soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 We were warned about this potential issue when we got some new track for our Spartan, so we completely stripped, inspected and lubricated the rear idler arm assemly on both sides as advised. If the rear idler arm does not rotate freely on its pivot, then the bolts (or shaft as we were advised) can shear. Sounds like you were vey lucky not to have had a major incident. Are your tracks over tensioned? I believe the figure is 135mm from the centre wheel to the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 11, 2007 Author Share Posted June 11, 2007 Not over tensioned we use the proper MOD guage. Took it apart tonight and found it had three shims/spacers other side has two :?. Have already decided to rebuild the rear hubs to check for trouble. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b369/relish110/rearidler.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Not over tensioned we use the proper MOD guage. The proper MOD guage? That is a clenched fist between the top of the centre roadwheel and the track, right? It was in my day. You are telling me they had to issue a guage??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 12, 2007 Author Share Posted June 12, 2007 Was clenched fist for me as well, but when MT where looking the guage would come out, IIRC it has every variant of CVR(t) on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted June 13, 2007 Share Posted June 13, 2007 Matt, There was an article in Kit! Magazine about correctly shimming the running gear. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenlandy Posted June 13, 2007 Author Share Posted June 13, 2007 Cheers for that :bow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84KB11 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Hi, I may be completely wrong, but your picture of the rear idler looks like a roadwheel. If it is, and not the correct rear idler assy, could the larger diameter have caused the bolts to shear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 David, The early style rear idlers were basically smaller roadwheels. They were changed to cast spoked ones, with the latest version being the 2 piece spoked idler. I think the rubber must have worn out quite quickly on the rubber ones! Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84KB11 Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 Hi Chris, Interesting, I've never seen those before, you learn something new every day! Anyone know when they stopped using them and switched to the all metal idler wheel? After reading this thread, just spent the afternoon greasing and checking over the idlers on my sultan. I have a 8 mile drive to a village fete next Saturday and don't want the same thing happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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