Marmite!! Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 As my Fox served in N.I. I'm just trying to gather a bit of info.. Has anyone got any in-service photos of the Fox in N.I. ? When did the Fox first serve in N.I. & when did they leave? I presume the crew had 9mm Browning's for side arms as there is 9mm mag holder in there but what other weapons did they have? I have seen a photo of the turret crew with SLR's but where were these stored when not in use? When did they stop using the No.36 Mills with the Fox? Any other info would be much appreciated..Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 As my Fox served in N.I. I'm just trying to gather a bit of info.. Has anyone got any in-service photos of the Fox in N.I. ? When did the Fox first serve in N.I. & when did they leave? Lee, Do you know what unit used your Fox? There was a squadron of The Royal Yeomanry based in Belfast, who were equipped with Foxes. A TA unit, D (North Irish Horse ) Squadron, I do not think they would not have been involved in internal troubles, their role being in Germany in recce work if every a conflict occured with the East. I am sure Neil Stevens could tell you more, as he was once with A Squadron R.Yeo according to some of his past messages on here. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Lee this is the only NI Fox pic I have. It appeared in Soldier caption is 2 RTR on patrol in Castlederg Sept 1979 I have a lot of REME SITREPS 1969-76 all the usual vehicles mentioned but no mention of Fox. I have 2 books on the history of RTR. Forty's book is a bit thin on NI. Macksey's book has a NI chapter no mention of Fox, lots of other vehicles mentioned. Both use that picture of 2 RTR Ferret marked Womble 2 with appropriate picture. BTW the VRN is 11 FD 27, yours? Edited December 16, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo link repaired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 Richard, I have been told that the entry "13.12.76 VSD N.I." stands for Northern Ireland but this could be completely wrong & my Fox has been nowhere the place... here's the info off Form 419B 09 FD 82 D.I.S 09.04.75 09.04.75 V.D. LUDGERHALL (ADPCON 16 APRIL 1975) 09.06.75 RAC CENTRE BOVINGTON 31.07.75 VD LUDGERSHALL 13.12.76 VSD N.I. 06.01.77 D SQN RY R (V) 20.08.84 CODE CHANGE FROM 7000 TO 8000 06.01.87 LUDGERSHALL 23.01.87 34 BASE WRKSHOP (PLANNED REPAIR) 28.09.87 LUDGERSHALL 24.11.87 1 QUEENS (REAR PARTY) 14.11.881 QUEENS 06.02.96 S/O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 Lee this is the only NI Fox pic I have. It appeared in Soldier caption is 2 RTR on patrol in Castlederg Sept 1979 I have a lot of REME SITREPS 1969-76 all the usual vehicles mentioned but no mention of Fox. I have 2 books on the history of RTR. Forty's book is a bit thin on NI. Macksey's book has a NI chapter no mention of Fox, lots of other vehicles mentioned. Both use that picture of 2 RTR Ferret marked Womble 2 with appropriate picture. BTW the VRN is 11 FD 27, yours? Hi Clive thanks for that, haven't seen that one before, my Fox is 09 FD 82, I have just posted the history in another post.. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Lee, Just out of interest, who was it sold off to? Here are 2RTR again, doing some driver training in Omagh. Chris [attachment deleted by admin] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 Lee, Just out of interest, who was it sold off to? Here are 2RTR again, doing some driver training in Omagh. Chris Chris, cheers for that, it dosen't say on the form, it just says "S/O" I think Jon said it came out of Withams but not from a tender sale.. I'll check with him when I next see him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Lee, I got mine from Withams, but it was not sold off to them! It went to Ricardos, who I am told were going to put a diesel in it. They bought it on 26/2/96, are you sure yours doesn't say 26 instead of 06? I would have thought they would have been sold at the same time. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 09 FD 82 D.I.S 09.04.75 09.04.75 V.D. LUDGERHALL (ADPCON 16 APRIL 1975) 09.06.75 RAC CENTRE BOVINGTON 31.07.75 VD LUDGERSHALL 13.12.76 VSD N.I. 06.01.77 D SQN RY R (V) 20/8/84 CODE CHANGE FROM 7000 TON 8000 06.01.87 LUDGERSHALL 23.01.87 34 BASE WRKSHOP (PLANNED REPAIR) 28.09.87 LUDGERSHALL 24/11/87 1 QUEENS (REAR PARTY) 06/02/96 S/O Lee, I looks as I thought, it was issued from VSD N. Ireland a few weeks after they recieved it, to D Sqn Royal Yeomanry, a TA unit. I used to work on C Sqn and HQ Sqn Foxes, as well as all the other A vehs that came in from them. Looks like it went to 34 Base for overhaul and then to storage at Ludgershall depot. Then issued to 1 Queens, I cannot recollect Queens ever using them, I know Royal Irish Rangers and Royal Green Jackets did. So doubtful it was used in NI peacekeeping role. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 hi Chris, just checked & the Issue voucher date is 06/02/96 but the receipt voucher date is 27/02/96 so it looks a bit closer to yours.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 It went to Ricardos, who I am told were going to put a diesel in it. Chris, Those that went to Ricardos, if distant memory serves me right, were destined for Mexico after conversions. The project fell though and I thought that all this batch had been stripped of engines and ancillaries. I do remember seeing some in a local dealers and thought they may have come from Ludgershall sales, going back to around 1996/97 here. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Richard, Yes my Fox came without the engine and ancillaries, as did Lee's. When I went to get mine there were 12 in the yard in a similar state. I do not know how many in total were stripped of engines though. It is something I would like to find out more about. Chris P.S. Any idea where this photo was taken? [attachment deleted by admin] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Richard, Yes my Fox came without the engine and ancillaries, as did Lee's. When I went to get mine there were 12 in the yard in a similar state. I do not know how many in total were stripped of engines though. It is something I would like to find out more about. Chris P.S. Any idea where this photo was taken? Chris, No idea with the photo, but think it is after they left Ricardos at Shoreham. Where did the photo come from? I remember someone from R Yeo telling me, before they were withdrawn from their unit, that they were re-equiping with L/R recce vehicles and that the Foxes were going to Mexico, with a differnt turret. Some I saw much later in a dealers yard, post-Ricardo, had feint chalk wording, "Mexico"on them ,so story ties up. So it looks like R Yeo vehicles were used for this project, as to how many, don't know. I believe your Fox is from A Sqn (Royal Wilts Yeo) R Yeo, so again this ties in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Lee this is the only NI Fox pic I have. It appeared in Soldier caption is 2 RTR on patrol in Castlederg Sept 1979 the VRN is 11 FD 27, Clive, Looking through some of my old time records from work, I see that I worked on 11FD21 in 1980 and it was touring Kent on a recruitment drive with the 2RTR. As these Foxes appeared to have been issued in batches to units with following numbers, this ties up with your pic of 11FD27. I particularly remember the vehicle, because I had the steering unit out for repair and the 2RTR team wanted it for Beltring.....which it was. Whether I got a beer from them, I cannot remember :-) Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) P.S. Any idea where this photo was taken? Ludgershall 1995. I was there too: Nearby were some turretless ones including one with the reg 00 HA 06 not seen that series before. Edited December 16, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo link repaired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted December 31, 2006 Author Share Posted December 31, 2006 Nearby were some turretless ones including one with the reg 00 HA 06 not seen that series before. I have, on page72 of Tanks Ilustrated No22 "Scorpion" there's a photo of 00HA08 on Sailsbury Plain with the Royal Hussars.. Chris has already posted the Photo underneath this one in the book so he may able to post this one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Nearby were some turretless ones including one with the reg 00 HA 06 not seen that series before. Clive, There was a 00HA?? that used to come in, and another odd number was 01GM45, don't remember too many in the GM range. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Lee, here's another NI one 2 RTR again Sept 1979 in centre of Omagh Richard GM, there was a Vixen 01 GM 10 at Ludgershall 1995 Edited December 16, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo link repaired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Here's the Peak turreted vehicle, Polecat? It is now in Scotland. The photo I posted before came from Lee, along with a load of others. They are on my Fox website, http://www.cvrw.co.uk I am slowly piecing together the article for the history section, and now have 50 or so vehicles on the owners list. Clive do you have any more photos you can send over? Chris [attachment deleted by admin] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Richard GM, there was a Vixen 01 GM 10 at Ludgershall 1995 Clive, I thought that was odd for a Vixen to be on GM, all ones seen are SP, then saw caption to Chris's pic in following message, it was a Peak turreted CVR(W). Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Did they make many turretless Fox's and did they all look like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Did they make many turretless Fox's and did they all look like that? No not the same thing, these turretless one were at Ludgershall 1995. I assume the turrets went onto Scorpions to make them into Sabres. Edited December 16, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo link repaired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 (edited) Clive, I thought that was odd for a Vixen to be on GM, all ones seen are SP, then saw caption to Chris's pic in following message, it was a Peak turreted CVR(W). Richard Yes sorry a slip of the tongue. I last saw it at Bovy June 2000, why did it go to Scotland? wasn't it interesting enough for the Tank Museum :dunno: It's as if the RAC didn't use wheeled armour, its always tanks :cry: :cry: Edited December 16, 2009 by Marmite!! Photo link repaired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Yes sorry a slip of the tongue. I last saw it at Bovy June 2000, why did it go to Scotland? wasn't it interesting enough for the Tank Museum :dunno: It's as if the RAC didn't use wheeled armour, its always tanks :cry: :cry: Clive, I have just come back to me, that version was known as Panga, the turret made by Peak as already pointed out. I would think it was only a trial vehicle in British service, believe it was a mod. aimed at export market. Also remembered the Mexico contract, the new turrets proposed for them were to have 25mm McDonnell Douglas chain gun fitted. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m151tx Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Hi Guys. Anyone know where to go when Bovvie does not have the vehicle record. I have FOX 01 GM 00 which had been misregistered as 01 CM 00 in the past but I still cannot find a service record ? All the best Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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