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I was given this plan for back timberwork some time ago. It is too big to scan but here are some photos. I might be able to get full size copies done if anyone wants one.

Once everything is lubed pull the cable all the way out, but remember to set the serving gear timing before you wind it in again., I can manage to drag mine out on my own, but I find that storing the last bit of cable round to the front fairleads gives you about 20 feet of rope to get hold of to start with.

I had a chat with Dave Weedon and let him know about this, he might be up for bringing the ex Wynns tractor 3630DW. http://www.classictracksandtrucks.co.uk/Photo%20gallery/PICT0009.JPG

"Without an Antar to occupy his time, Mike found himself spending far too many hours on the internet looking at strange pictures."

I have no interest in wearing a uniform, a boiler suit or trousers and polo/t shirt do the job. I go to shows for my own benefit, the truck gets a run and I get to meet up with "like minded nutters" who I only tend to see at shows. I enter the Scammell in the military section because it is ex-military, but it spent most of its working life as a civvy wrecker so I am in no hurry to paint it green, I get more people telling be to keep it as it is than want to see it green anyway. I see the shows as a social thing, if people want to visit a show to look at old vehicles it is a bonus. I have spent time talking to veterans who worked with Scammells but have also met people who remember my truck when it was working around Dingwall. I found a thread started by someone who saw my truck parked at Tesco, no mention of it being the wrong colour. http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=78404&page=1#1037436

Have you got a set of track chains for Forceful then Bernard? :-D

On second thoughts I am not even sure it was a recovery.

That has got to be one of the worst recoverys I have seen, even on youtube :wow:

Agree with that, but to really show off you could run the winch under the Iltis and pull from the back, remembering to set up a strop at the front to stop it flipping over backwards. How about using the winch to clear the stuff out of the way in the bottom of the washout, or at least rearange it so it could be useful. A bit of pick and shovel might also help.

How about this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymz6D8eFeUg

In Dave Weedons care. http://www.classictracksandtrucks.co.uk/Photo%20gallery/PICT0009.JPG

I can think of other well known military books with a reputation for being less than accurate.

Isn't the Ford version of the Jeep just as much a copy as a Hotchkiss then? The general population can't tell the difference between one Jeep and another anyway. At least when Hotchkiss made them they upgraded the electrics (far better lights and starting). They also have a much more durable hood, rather than the cr**y ww2 canvas rag. Go for a Hotchkiss and if you want to really stand out from the crowd keep it in French colours. Whichever Jeep you get, you won't get much metal for your money though.

I thought it was a front for the Scammell Explorer owners club:D Many thanks to Jack and the team. :-)

The law regarding overwidth tracked stuff has been the way it is for years. When not owned and opperated by the crown there does not seem to be a legal way of using ex military kit that fails to comply with construction and use regulations. The fuss that has been made has probably helped raise awareness amongst the civil servants that process V5 applications that there are issues with wide ex military vehicles. If something complies with the C+U regs there should be no problem with registering and using it, if it doesn't fit the regs then they are quite correct in refusing to register it. If something that is outside the rules does manage to get registered, the law is still being broken if it is used on the road.

Listed in "The Green Machine" as chassis no 170600714 used as a command car issued to the "Home Office Fire Service Technical Centre" seems odd that the chassis no is one out? It was part of the same Home Office stock as Green Goddesses etc.

Thanks for passing on that sad news Mike. My condolences to Ben, Joe and family.

Far from a Heath Robinson Job, it was modified in the 70s by Les Tite, for removing dead Elm trees in London. It started as a 6x6 Milly1, the chassis was shortened and the back axles replaced with an AEC Mandator tractor unit axle. To keep the ratios matched, a diff was made by AEC to fit the Milly front axle case. The original engine was replaced with an AV760, hence the longer bonnet. It has a six speed gearbox and power steering fitted, making it easy to handle and, as a shortened 6x6, very .As well as the Hiab is has a PTO driven Mead Morrison winch and a hefty ground anchor on the back. Correction. The diff that AEC made was for the Mandator rear axle to match the Milly front axle.

From experience in the digger field, there is only about a foot of topsoil before you hit chalk. The rain doesn't stop when it hits the ground it just slows down a bit. Even after heavy rain it only needs a few hours to dry out.

Here is the edited version of that video, note the use of ground anchors as well as snatch blocks, only one line runs to the Scammell. If you use a block it is better not to attach it to the winch vehicle if you can avoid it. Also remember that there can be a big difference between towing points, lashing points and recovery points.

Like this, this time it only needed the brakes.

Have a look at this video someone posted of me winching a lorry at the end of a wet rally. At the first position I did not have enough grip and was sliding backwards. I did not have scotches with me so all I could do was reposition with the back wheels on harder ground and the front wheels down a slope. (this was across the access track for the rally field, I didn't use it at first as I didn't want to block it) The repositioning was enough to do the job, it was then only hindered by the driver trying to "help" by driving his wheels. The video stops at the point I was getting out to give him a bollocking. Also note at about 50 seconds the bloke who wanders over to the rope, he was one of the "marshals" but presumably keeping people out of the way didn't include himself. A note on the scotches, they are not designed to just disable the front wheels, when used properly there is a cable from the scotch to the chassis, instead of the drivetrain and suspension taking the load from the winch to the ground, the load is taken via the cables to the scotches. On soft ground with the scotches properly seated each one forms a frontal area of about 6" x 14" and provides quite a good anchor, depending on the ground. Given that the winch on a Pioneer is rated at 8 ton the scotches alone should be adequate for anything you would do with it. On late Explorers the winch rating had been increased to 15 ton, the only modification being the cutout. The same winch was fitted to the Milly 3 recovery, I know of one where the winch drive was sheared when using the ground anchor (presumably the cutout was disabled) so, stong as these winches are they will break (or cutout) if overloaded. Whilst it is possible to increase the holding power, there is little point in doing so vastly in excess of the winch rating.

I think that you are talking sense, the purpose of this thread was to discuss recovery techniques and equipment. To some of us it is a bit like being told how to suck eggs, but, there are plenty of people with no idea how to use recovery kit. Hopefully they will find it usefull, and nobody knows everything anyway. The point I was making is that it is very easy to jump into a 4x4 get it stuck and stick the winch onto the closest tree to attempt self recovery. You might be lucky and get out or it might all go horribly wrong. It takes experience to look at a job and know the best way to set it up, there is no substitute for experience but a bit of explanation and education can help you along the way.

When it comes down to it using a winch is simple. The important (and interesting) bit is the rigging, getting that right is the real skill in winch work.

Just found this on Marlow KERR whilst looking for something else. There are several videos on the link, KERR is second from last. http://www.marlowropes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51&Itemid=2 KERR specs. http://www.marlowropes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=154&Itemid=164