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Depends what model CJ you are looking at. Assume you plan to fit a repro tub on a later chassis? I'm not a Jeep expert, but I can tell you that among the differences between a CJ3A and a wartime model are: Radiator mounted each side to front grille on CJ3A - at bottom on crossmember on wartime so if using wartime tub need to fit mounting plats to front grille Heavier gearbox - may need to tweak floor pan ever-so-slightly on a wartime tub to fit (and modify centre crossmember??) Rear shock absorbers mounted differently (not a big job to make new brackets) Rear axle is heavier duty Brake drums are slightly wider Fuel tank is side fill - if using wartime tub then fit a wartime top fill tank Driver's seat frame about 4" higher on CJ3A (more comfortable ) Engine is a bit tougher too Probably more but you'll need to wait for an expert to come along :blush:

What fantastic pictures - images like these are so valuable for what they can reveal - for example an improvised spare wheel crane (what a base - a gun plank outrigger tied on!), the vertical member of which looks like a towing pole?? I like the essential Ward laFrance at the end of the line-up - obviously there just to bring home any misbehaving Pioneers Also of interest is the variety of front wheel tread patterns. Thanks for posting.

Err - Correction - Thats my 8 grands worth. Stick to the facts please. :-D

This happened recently: Piece of earthmoving plant taken 4.30am, through tunnel by 7am. Tracker device enabled French police to be alerted but they failed to stop it - this was achieved by Belgian police at border. But the low loader crew had what appeared to be legitimate paperwork for the haulage job, so police had no grounds to detain them. Piece of kit was confiscated, unloaded and low loader allowed to go. You'd have thought they would at least have been questioned with regard to who supposedly gave them the haulage job - really does makes you wonder, doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Looky here for a LCVP for sale. http://www.milweb.net/classifieds/large_image.php?ad=63384&cat=38

Welcome Adrienne. What's all this about a forthcoming range of diecast HMVF characters? I saw Tony B sitting for a sculptor the other week in the Clubhouse and wondered what was going on. Shades of Saki's The Toys Of Peace - oh gawd :shake:

I do find it amazing that you should consider that there is a definitive value (which apparently is totally unconnected to any emotional feeling) for a collectible such as a GMC. Come on, get in the real world - the value of any collectible is only going to be determined by whoever is collecting that particular item - be it an enthusiast or a scrap man. With a few notable exceptions (vehicles I mean) we are fortunate in our hobby in that MVs are bought by people who have a real passion for them. It is very sad to see how, for example, the vintage tractor market has gone - people now seem to buy them as much for an investment as for any real interest, which tends to leave the genuine enthusiast pushed out of the running (and we all know what happened to the vintage car market when it overheated). For goodness sake, buy with your heart, or don't buy it!

Was that two sugars?

I'll put the kettle on then.........

Some soldier by the name of Kilroy got to drive a fair few jimmies in his time :cool2:

Oh that is totally ludicrous - yes some charge a fixed fee for altering any details, something like £20, but if this is about anything more than that I'd seriously consider changing broker. Try 4counties.co.uk - email rob.h@4counties.co.uk

You should have seen the look of fear on Jack's face - he was only 50 feet ahead and she was gaining fast :wow:

I saw that one - it did look cute!! I just assumed it was an early Unimog, but now you ask I could be wrong....

Coffee anyone? Sorry but the milk and sugar seems to have run out - looks like it is black only :whistle: :coffee:

As far as I can tell from reading this thread, Tony - it mainly involves making coffee. At least I hope so. And if you tell them there's no milk or sugar left it should simplify the operation somewhat. :-)

Good point about population density. And related to that is the sheer size of the USA - it is sometimes cheaper to ship a vehicle from near an East Coast port to the UK than to move it across several States - that has to impact hard on MV values.

I've just realised (too late) that its a cunning plan to rake in all the trouble makers and give them a Moderator badge in order to get some control on them :shake:

The three reasons cited are: The legislation armored "metal track" is not clarified and road managers refuse to position on the matter. Registration of tanks are low at one month of the event, particularly due to this legislation metal tracks. Difficulties for the closure of the Route de Wallonie remain. Is the legislation issue more a debate of principle - or has actual damage been done in the past? I always thought that, despite the high weight of tanks, the actual loading on paved surfaces is fairly modest and it is only the minor surface marking which gives rise to concern. Maybe the traditional road surfaces found in the towns in the area of this event suffer more than is apparent, e.g. cracking of stone cobbles? I'd imagine that real infrastructure damage occurring under the surface is more likely to be caused by heavy trucks where often there is no visual evidence on the surface.

I think the mud evolved around a character by the name of Mr. Angry - it was a pleasure to have met you, sir Next year if it is wet again I believe there are plans for a 24hr Winchathon :whistle:

Also a rare glimpse of a Howard Model WTF Rotavator - the most interesting personal transport seen on Friday.

If I had to sum it up in a couple of pictures - Must have taken ages to get this diorama looking just right! This is a normally sensible person who has been 'Beltringed'. Just goes to show you're never too old to be a big kid. The .50cal has a fascinating story behind it (I so believed the owner - you always can at Beltring :whistle:)

Yes, all credit to you Ray for answering the question, let alone in such a profound way. It was a debate which was always going to be won by the hopeless romantics anyway :-D

Seems to me trucks are not valued so highly in the USA. Which is surprising considering so many have been repatriated from Europe in recent years. And they've been bought at European values and shipped over. Mind you, our burgers are only half the size of the ones in USA and twice the price

Sure about that? So let me get this right - was the value of the truck nearer to $3000? That's what it would have cost you to buy. An enthusiast in Nevada might have been pleased to buy it for that. What you do with it and where you move it to afterwards has nothing to do with what it is worth, except what it is worth TO YOU. It may well be that by the time you got it home you'd spent a total of more than you considered it was worth. If you then put a $1200 wiring loom on it someone might say it ain't worth the extra $1200 as they could either bodge the wiring or make a loom for less money. But equally someone else might think 'Hey, he's done the wiring harness - that saves me a load of work so it makes sense to pay $1200 more than the price if he hadn't put it on'. Depends who is looking to buy when you sell. Here's a real life example: I almost bought a truck from USA right near a shipping port. It was an absolute steal, but the potentially horrendous shipping costs to UK put me off as it was at risk of costing in total much more than I felt I could justify spending. Perhaps if I'd wanted it a little bit more I would have had it. A good indication of what it was worth to me (at the time). And yes, 12 months later, with changed circumstance, I really do wish I'd bought it :red: That didn't stop an American enthusiast grabbing it - and what a bargain it seemed to me he got, so he obviously felt it was worth that much and more it to him. People can ask what they like, what they'll get for it depends on who is buying at the time. The original question asked if the proposed asking price was realisitic. Certainly it makes sense to ask a realistic price to start with so as not to put potential purchasers off.

All good stuff, but sorry I just can't let you get away with that Surely the value of a truck IS EXACTLY what someone is prepared to pay for it. How ever else can you value it? You can only base it on how much people are typically paying for one in similar condition. That is not necessarily the same as Asking Price.....(reference to lists sometimes seen in magazines....) If you don't know what you're looking at, take someone who does know along to advise. We can't all be experts, I know I'm not! I think supply and demand has more bearing on it - why else would a Sherman tank for example fetch 10 times the price per tonne as a GMC? To the seller - ask what you want - get what you can - be happy. To the buyer - offer what you think you can get it for, be prepared to either walk away or find a middle ground or even pay the asking price - just be happy with either the truck or the cash in your pocket. The best deal is when both buyer and seller can part company happy. And your mention of parts prices - that is precisely why in the recent past many GMCs have been broken for spares - because they were worth more as spares than as a complete running truck - if not then people would have bought them as trucks. Equity? I invest in the truck, not equity. If you want equity you're surely in the wrong hobby. All it needs is a hike in fuel costs and the value of your pension fund MV hits the floor hard.