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Can get pics Wednesday.

Seems to me the bits of the show I'm not so keen on are the non-mv bits, but surely that is the price you pay for having a show on such a vast scale - it has to pay its way and the organisers should perhaps be cut some slack in this respect. Maybe there is, and should only ever be, one W&P Show - it is unique and long may it continue. The fact that other shows elsewhere in the country are not so large, and do not have so much of the non-MV or military related stuff, may contribute to their own unique success and popularity. Perhaps they should be allowed to develop in their own way with no aspirations to becoming a W&P clone. Roll on July! p.s. Thanks for the historical background, Richard!

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There are probably many on here like me who only know W&P in the form it is now. Thinking about how there seems to be such a demand for a 'Up t'North' W&P, could one of the grown-ups give us a quick summary of how it started and how it grew into what it now is, and how long it took? Might give us all a better understanding of what it has taken to develop it and why it has attained such a great status. It might also indicate that the potential future northern W&P equivalent event is probably one of those already on the calendar, but still waiting to take off. What would it take to make it not a rival event but an event approaching similar status to the current W&P?

I now have one with some nicely fitted patches. First thoughts 'oh heck BIG job to remove patches' ......second thought 'think I'll just make up a story about it being hit by a B-17 and repaired by the airframe mechanics'. :-D

It would be a big job to upgrade the Hop Farm facilities to 'out-dated' standard.....

Good point about traffic on busy roads. It was a lot easier driving pigs back in 1905:

I only attend for 1 or 2 days, and only ever once with an exhibit vehicle, so my comments should be read with this in mind. Strikes me that the show has moved from mainly UK MVs to an ever increasing proportion of European MVs and participants, same with the military related stalls (mind you this integration of UK / European is a really positive feature of the show). Would this be a fair reflection? From a European view the new location is closer and easier, but only marginally. From a UK view it is further away, but only marginally. Must be acknowledged though that even a marginal increase in distance can be terminal in terms of expense :-( Having said that, if you're driving or hauling a MV 200 odd miles the extra distance is a bit academic. If the financial factor is paramount in laying on a show like this, then need to consider revenue. Comprised mainly of gate revenue from visitors to see the show (MVs and stalls), and stall holders. Revenue from of MV exhibitors is marginal. Moving 60 miles won't make a lot of difference to visitors, maybe UK MVs dropping out will be replaced by more European MVs? But that would change the atmosphere a bit. There must be a fine balance to successful UK/European exhibits. Main factor in determining revenue from visitors is if there isn't enough to see to justify the trip - i.e. MV attendance. A change can be refreshing -and I think W&P could benefit greatly from this, it has become too ...familiar? bad habits set in? - can't think of the right way to describe it but you know what I mean! I guess the ideal scenario would be to move it to a more 'UK central' location and accept the adverse affect on European participation - a great shame but the benefit of allowing participation by a much wider selection of UK owned MVs would be immense. Problem is - I'm not convinced there is room for more than one annual mega show such as W&P. So reckon we're stuck with what the relocated W&P can offer. I wouldn't like the job of organising something like this, and if a move is necessary for whatever reason, you can't blame the organiser for finding the best available alternative in a location near to his own back yard. Or is this last comment too negative? Come on whoever you are - please prove it wrong (hell of a job but someone must be able to pull it off!).

They say there could be as many as 36 Spitfires down there........... sorry wrong thread :blush:

That'll make the transmission wince in 4WD!

Nigel - somewhere I have a really good civilian combined brochure for both the TM 4x4 and 6x6, this has some big multi-angle views of the chassis cabs with most of the detail you need, and maybe the key dimensions. There would only be minor detailing differences between these and the military versions, especially the 6x6. I can't find it right now (I did look when you first posted this!), but I 'm pretty certain I know who may have borrowed it, so if I can retrieve it I will scan and put up here. Bump this again if nothing appears within a fortnight :-D

There's only one 'proper' way to get those Jeeps back - Get one of those No.7 Set GMCs up and running, form a 'crock train' and tow them all back :banana:

I've read that S stood for suppressed - i.e. vehicle fitted with radio suppression.

I can just hear Welch's fitter casting aspersions on your pedigree :cool2: Well done though for biting the bullet and getting them to check it out. No matter how good we might think we are, there's nothing like a trained eye to find all these issues.

:blush: Didn't think of that.....

Chain drives usually have screw threaded adjustable length tie bars. The chassis which started this thread looks like it has sliders at the back end too, but this would leave only the drive shaft tube to take the thrust and alignment - that doesn't seem right, is this the case?

Well I was taught NEVER to tow anything by its aerial or electric cable :red:

Whatever is in the tank is always at atmospheric pressure......... It can be moved up and down in the water........ It can be moved in any required direction........ Wherever the tank goes, the shed goes........ Nothing to do with sonics, chickens, mines, torpedoes, or detaining small kids at shopping centres....... Just thinking online :blush:

From the man himself: But this is nothing to do with sound, mines or torpedoes (although it is in a torpedo testing lake)

"Extensive research and development was also carried to develop new anti-submarine devices, mines and ships' electrics. On 1 October 1923 Vernon was moved ashore and new departments were set up to cover aspects of maritime warfare, such as mining, torpedoes and electrical equipment." No mention of chickens.

Are you seriously suggesting someone might be keeping chickens in the middle of a lake? If I win with that everyone gets a pint!

Post 4 contains a link to a very reputable haulier whose trucks constantly work between UK and Netherlands, and who has brought back mvs. Suggestion: Before you speak to a haulier, make sure you have a plan for both loading the dead GMC, and unloading it. Hauliers don't like delays, especially with back-loads, so if you can assure them you've thought it through and have arrangements in place they will be more confident and hence more likely to offer a better rate. Can seller load? When - to suit haulier's schedule? Can you unload? Is an on-board winch required? (you'd be surprised how few machinery trailers have a winch, this will restrict your options). The vast majority of suitable vehicles plying between UK and mainland Europe are articulated step frame trailers.

My favourite is a stateside image: Not sure of the location of this, but an interesting one:

I guess it has piped soul music from Lou Rawls too.