Surveyor Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Just looking at a Land Rover, did the MoD have a manual on changing the hard top to soft top? If not I assume they only bought as needed, hard top or soft top? Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 It is not that difficult to swap them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 Thanks, just need a manual Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirhc Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Not sure you’ll find a manual, it’s just a case of take some bits off and put others on. https://www.allwheeltrim.co.uk/Frames.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 25 minutes ago, sirhc said: Not sure you’ll find a manual, it’s just a case of take some bits off and put others on. https://www.allwheeltrim.co.uk/Frames.html Many thanks I am not really mechanical so learning which helps me Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 It is just possible that such instructions could exist in the form of a Standard Operation Breakdown. I have a number of these & they give the order of the Elements to be carried out in the Operation & the time in mins for each Element to be completed. Given that I have one such SOB that gives the instructions to remove 4 bolts within 1.47 minutes, it is quite possible that there is a SOB for hard top removal & a SOB for fitting a soft top. Each having an individual Operation Code which is necessary to authorise a SOB. The 'Forward' Operation Codes can be constructed from EMER MANAGEMENT J 021 Part 1 Operation Codes for Vehicles. 1H10 relates to canopy & 1H11 to canopy frame. Removal, replacement, or stripping of mechanical assemblies adds X31 or if it was a role conversion X34. Suffix A would indicate a repair by a VM or suffix B a renewal by a VM. The equipment & not just vehicles, would have a 'Forward' Management Code quoted, these were REME speak for what at one time were called Asset Codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 13 hours ago, fv1609 said: It is just possible that such instructions could exist in the form of a Standard Operation Breakdown. I have a number of these & they give the order of the Elements to be carried out in the Operation & the time in mins for each Element to be completed. Given that I have one such SOB that gives the instructions to remove 4 bolts within 1.47 minutes, it is quite possible that there is a SOB for hard top removal & a SOB for fitting a soft top. Each having an individual Operation Code which is necessary to authorise a SOB. The 'Forward' Operation Codes can be constructed from EMER MANAGEMENT J 021 Part 1 Operation Codes for Vehicles. 1H10 relates to canopy & 1H11 to canopy frame. Removal, replacement, or stripping of mechanical assemblies adds X31 or if it was a role conversion X34. Suffix A would indicate a repair by a VM or suffix B a renewal by a VM. The equipment & not just vehicles, would have a 'Forward' Management Code quoted, these were REME speak for what at one time were called Asset Codes. Thanks, I suppose that the MoD would buy a hard top and not look at changing to a soft top and vice versa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/519224/DE_S_FOI2016_03001___Attachment-_Truck_Utility_Light__TUL__HS__Truck_Utility_Medium__TUM__HS__and__Ambulance_HS_Defender.pdf ================================= It would have happened but not often. It was all quite clever for Defender TUL/TUM , Wolf The "Pick-N-Mix" was more decisive at Contract stage and line build up at Solihull,than with Series models and is best reflected in the Contract / Item Numbers. The best document (I am having difficulty just now) is the "Supplementary Parts book" , this shows the parts selectable to build up say a FFR from a Basic Utility. They took what was base vehicle 90" / 110" more or less a CL (Commercial regular ) CL = C--------L Once the vehicle was issued , then they could select from the "Supplementary (Optional Equipment) book , it is a case of bolting the MOD Supplementary Parts Book to the Commercial (as civvy basic Parts Book ) Parts book. The 'Supplementary' book is good because - up to the print date there is a MATRIX , you read off the Contract /Item Nos. look across and it tells you what the Supplementary major assemblies / kits are fitted. The Project Tithonus (extended life) - was a more official Pick-N-Mix. In real life - assembly of 'sticks' on tub . would be peruse the Parts Book appropriate & use your loaf. A sticks KIT + hood would be drawn from stores & I would expect a printed sheet or two of Parts check-list and assembly instructions. Edited April 25, 2019 by ruxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 hours ago, ruxy said: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/519224/DE_S_FOI2016_03001___Attachment-_Truck_Utility_Light__TUL__HS__Truck_Utility_Medium__TUM__HS__and__Ambulance_HS_Defender.pdf ================================= It would have happened but not often. It was all quite clever for Defender TUL/TUM , Wolf The "Pick-N-Mix" was more decisive at Contract stage and line build up at Solihull,than with Series models and is best reflected in the Contract / Item Numbers. The best document (I am having difficulty just now) is the "Supplementary Parts book" , this shows the parts selectable to build up say a FFR from a Basic Utility. They took what was base vehicle 90" / 110" more or less a CL (Commercial regular ) CL = C--------L Once the vehicle was issued , then they could select from the "Supplementary (Optional Equipment) book , it is a case of bolting the MOD Supplementary Parts Book to the Commercial (as civvy basic Parts Book ) Parts book. The 'Supplementary' book is good because - up to the print date there is a MATRIX , you read off the Contract /Item Nos. look across and it tells you what the Supplementary major assemblies / kits are fitted. The Project Tithonus (extended life) - was a more official Pick-N-Mix. In real life - assembly of 'sticks' on tub . would be peruse the Parts Book appropriate & use your loaf. A sticks KIT + hood would be drawn from stores & I would expect a printed sheet or two of Parts check-list and assembly instructions. Ruxy Many thanks does answer some questions Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sterling1961 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 One possible place to look would be related to the troubles in Northern Ireland. I remember a lot of vehicles getting "armoured" at a nearby REME facility. The armour for an LR consisted of a fiberglass roof, bonnet, wings, doors and lower body. I don't know what the upper body sides were made of but they appeared to have a wood grain. This could have been due to brush painting as much as anything. Both Bedford RL and MJ's were armoured up at this time. Rob D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 On 4/25/2019 at 10:59 AM, ruxy said: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/519224/DE_S_FOI2016_03001___Attachment-_Truck_Utility_Light__TUL__HS__Truck_Utility_Medium__TUM__HS__and__Ambulance_HS_Defender.pdf ================================= It would have happened but not often. It was all quite clever for Defender TUL/TUM , Wolf The "Pick-N-Mix" was more decisive at Contract stage and line build up at Solihull,than with Series models and is best reflected in the Contract / Item Numbers. The best document (I am having difficulty just now) is the "Supplementary Parts book" , this shows the parts selectable to build up say a FFR from a Basic Utility. They took what was base vehicle 90" / 110" more or less a CL (Commercial regular ) CL = C--------L Once the vehicle was issued , then they could select from the "Supplementary (Optional Equipment) book , it is a case of bolting the MOD Supplementary Parts Book to the Commercial (as civvy basic Parts Book ) Parts book. The 'Supplementary' book is good because - up to the print date there is a MATRIX , you read off the Contract /Item Nos. look across and it tells you what the Supplementary major assemblies / kits are fitted. The Project Tithonus (extended life) - was a more official Pick-N-Mix. In real life - assembly of 'sticks' on tub . would be peruse the Parts Book appropriate & use your loaf. A sticks KIT + hood would be drawn from stores & I would expect a printed sheet or two of Parts check-list and assembly instructions 8 hours ago, sterling1961 said: One possible place to look would be related to the troubles in Northern Ireland. I remember a lot of vehicles getting "armoured" at a nearby REME facility. The armour for an LR consisted of a fiberglass roof, bonnet, wings, doors and lower body. I don't know what the upper body sides were made of but they appeared to have a wood grain. This could have been due to brush painting as much as anything. Both Bedford RL and MJ's were armoured up at this time. Rob D. Rob Had a site of the asset plate says FFR, the only thing is the picture supplied show no candle stick holders, wing attachment or the sleeve in the rear Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruxy Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) The VPK (fibreglass vehicle protection kits that even the stick set was clad with) as used in NI would be on Series based Rovers, the entry of the 'coilers' was probably the 'Snatch' - Vixen range by CAV having a composite armour (no stick set). 90"'110" stick-sets are a bit more complex than Series due to standard ROPS more incorporated. ROPS on 88" & 109" is very similar to the 101" design - but painted silver (not galvanized) , very few had them , the odd Para Recce Lightweight (that had no sticks at all) . ROPS with sticks on Series seemed to be a requirement for the Training Area in Canada. Edited April 29, 2019 by ruxy spelin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 Many thanks for the information Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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