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I am interested in building up a toolkit for the triumph 3swept ..the handbook lists the tools but I was interested in understanding if the spanners are chromed or unchromed ...it looks as if some of th e tools were produced post war . I am assuming the wartime tools were uncorked ....

 

Does anyone have a toolkit .....or know ...

 

Jenkinov

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UNCORKED?? Have you been at the wine again?

 

Ron

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Ron..predictive text strikes again ...unchromed was the intended word....

 

Jenkinov

 

More of a beer man....bitter and porter

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UNCORKED?? Have you been at the wine again?

 

Ron

 

The illustrations in my 3SW handbook 100/T.C.3 are drawings of the spanners

and therefore impossible to ascertain the type of finish. ...however in keeping with all WD bikes the toolkits would have been a mix of Manufacture specific tools., and generic supplied tools such as pliers, spark plug spanners and adjustable wrenches. Most of these if not all were not plated but etched black, a semi rust free process called Parkerising which was easily done in house as a cheap finish.

 

It is always tempting to have and carry an authentic tool kit, but on the road any breakdown/puncture is far better dealt with with modern tools especially combination spanners that actually work in the heat of the moment.

 

there are serious experts on The WDBSA bikers website covering all makes of WD bikes if you want further opinion etc.great to see a bit of interest in a fairly rare bike.... Ed Abbott.

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A military vehicle isn't truly complete without its issue toolkit. Any chance of posting up some scans of the handbook / parts book illustrations ?

 

I agree with the comment that a Parkerised or oil-blacked finish would have been normal. I'm not sure that I've ever seen pre-war vehicle tools with a chromed or polished finish.

 

Triumph would have supplied a certain amount of the tools, based pretty much on their pre-war civilian kits and in addition there would have been a list of tools and equipment to complete authorised scale...these were War Office supplied standard tools and the list would normally include substitution lists for use in the case of lost or damaged tools needing replacement.

 

There can be clues in the registered design numbers shown on some tools such as adjustable spanners and also in the use of the dual Whit / BSF marking that came later. The 3SW was of course an early-war bike so I wouildn't expect tools to be marked 'War Finish' and in general, the tools supplied with the kit were not WD marked or dated, although replacements would have been.

 

The kit supplied with WD Nortons was quite useful and in fact there is no substitute for the cranked gearbox nut spanner. I do use mine for the odd roadside adjustment. More serious work is, of course always carried out as preventative maintenance in the workshop ! 🙂

 

Personally, I have a lot of fun rummaging for tools at jumbles. The perfect antidote to 'not needing anything'...This is the WD16H kit (or as close as I've got to it yet)...

 

 

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great looking toolkit ...In terms of the toolkit for the 3sw it contains the following triumph spanners

NA66

NA55

PA56

PA57

PA60

DA87

DA5

NA65

DA21

DA16

DA72

KA50

 

The link below takes you to a free site with all the triumph Handbooks including the 3sw and has pen and ink images of the spanners

 

http://www.pdfmotomanual.com/index.php?r=site/page&view=manuales&order=t&key=T&make=1966&lang=ENG

 

interestingly no oil can or grease gun ..So i must assume these were army issue ...

 

I believe some of these spanners continued in use well after the war ..but will try and get the un chromed versions as that does appear to be more war pattern finish ...interestingly as the bike is early war 1940 ..it has chrome brake and throttle fittings painted green plus still had rubber Grips ...Triumph were actively using available stocks which were clearly still civilian pattern ..

 

As such if chrome tools were around potentially they could have been issued with the bike ....I was hoping to find an owner with an original toolkit but looks unlikely ...

 

Jenkinov

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I would like to revisit this topic ..the handbook lists all the tools supplied by triumph with The bike

..firstly does anyone know how these are supplied ..in a triumph toolroll and if so does anyone have one or were the bundled in string ?

secondly the toolkit is missing oil cans grease guns et c ..did despatch riders carry these or were they retained at the camp or depot ?

Regards

Jenkinov

 

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I have no specific knowledge of the Triumph situation but it seems likely that there was a similar practice to the better known kits supplied with Norton, BSA and Royal Enfield....The Ministry of Supply agreed a basic toolkit with the manufacturer which was based on the standard pre-war civilian tools and roll. To this was added a list of extra tools and equipment to scale such as oil cans, where supplied, chain spares, tyre repair kits etc. This situation doesn't seem to have been entirely static. Sometimes these were supplied by the manufacturer, at other times via WD stocks and the contract price adjusted accordingly.  I now have three pre- and early-war Norton Spare Parts Lists which include these additional pages. Somewhere around 5 or 10 percent of the books seem to have the extra lists.  Without these or a similar insert, it is very difficult to ascertain what should have been included.

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Here's the Wesco folding oil can, early ones were silver. 

When enough interest, I will have the transfers printed again.

Cheers,

Lex

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The AB412 listed all the tools and equipment...This one is BSA M20 but it's clear that most of the additional items were standardised.

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I wonder if Mark 'Tiger 80' can still be contacted ? He didn't scan the page from his AB412 which shows the tools...maybe it hadn't been completed, but if it has then you'll have the definitive answer.

http://hmvf.co.uk/profile/13288-tiger80/

 

 

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Gentlemen 

Thank you for the great feedback , it certainly a good  start in building a toolkit for my 3SW  I have included a Download i was given of the Triumph 3sw and 5sw handbook which contains the list of parts supplied by Triumph , I will as suggested contact Tiger 80 and see if he can fill in the Gaps on the tool kit supplied by the army 

 

Jenkinov 

 

triumph-3sw-5sw-instructionsmanual.pdf

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On 1/18/2015 at 1:31 PM, 79x100 said:

A military vehicle isn't truly complete without its issue toolkit. This is the WD16H kit (or as close as I've got to it yet)...

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Where did they carry all of this kit as looks to be quite a lot? 

What are the leather straps for, saddle bags/panniers?

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Early bikes didn't have the pannier frames and bags yet (they were actually already invented by Norton, but that's another story) so the straps are for securing greatcoat and kit to the small rear carrier, I'm sure Rick will have pictures from that setup, I put some on my January 1940 Enfield.

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Don't want to hijack this thread, just want to give some inspiration... Here's the WD/RE tool roll:

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And here's the Royal Enfield WD/C tool roll and supplementary kit. The tool roll goes in the rectangular toolbox, the supplementary kit was stowed away in the triangular toolbox:IMG_2803.thumb.JPG.0fe5236c6da27c94f69f6ad099a38a9e.JPG

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That's a great toolkit  I appreciate your attention to detail in 're creating it .that must have taken months of not years to find the correct pieces..

Jenkinov

 

 

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@rewdcoA few questions,

What is the soft iron or copper wire for (emergency) HT lead?

Where does the supplementary triangular toolkit get stowed?

In that triangular toolbox, when stowed, what is the item on the right, a funnel?

I'm an electrician but I've never seen insulating tape in a tin, presumably this is a cloth backed bitumas type of tape?

Interesting that the fixing for the large toolbox is called a pin, secured with a nut and washer!

As above, great attention to detail putting that lot together, thank you for sharing with us

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I think the wire is for general repairs, plastic straps and ducktape weren't invented yet...

The triangular toolbox was fitted at the right hand side of the bike, in the triangular opening of the frame. On the WD/CO, the supplementary kit was stowed away in a similar triangular toolbox on the left hand side of the bike.

Indeed, that's a Royal Enfield funnel for topping up the engine oil...

The insulating tape is cotton based, impregnated with something bitumen-like...

Thanks for the compliment! 😊

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I've always known that old type insulating tape as "Self amalgamating" 

Ron 

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