Tony B Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 There was a guy in East Retford, I think, a few years back doing a roraing trade converting Stollys to diseil for sale abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 There was a guy in East Retford, I think, a few years back doing a roraing trade converting Stollys to diseil for sale abroad. That was A F Budge and I believe that a Perkins Phaser was used, saw one on their stand at BAEE exhibition in Aldershot many moons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) okay this beggers a question, if i wanted to convert one of my stollys to a diesel, which engine do i want to use, I know some one hwo has fitted a differnt cog inside the transfer box and made it rev lower with the b81 engine, now with that conversion and a diesel engine that would run at say 2500 top whack i would still be able to maintain 45 mph, anyone got any ideas of a good engine in the 250bhp range that is a straight 6 or 8 that would drop in, preferrebly one that isnt too heavy and comes with its own compressor...24 volt is a given of course too a turbo phaser sounds a bit old hat these days but any other ideas..what about a bedford 500, they do about 300 bhp i think but have heard all sorts of horror stories about their reliability... Edited October 14, 2009 by Marmite!! Copied from another thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berna2vm Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Cummins 6 BTA.... 5.9 litres turbocharged,intercooled 210 bhp, 2800 rpm...What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poptopshed Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 What ever lump you end up using i would look at mounting it in a frame along with the rest of the ancilaries and gearbox so it can be lifted in the future as a pack. After the recent debates about Stolly's its the one thing i think they should have done from the start. Only the centre drives to disconect, a few bits of electric/hoses and the hydraulic hose's to the front tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 yes that is a good idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Isn't the B81 engine in a Stalwart dry sump and therefore reasonably low profile? I have the feeling most diesels being rather tall may struggle to fit beneath the unmodified floor of a Stolly. A V configuration diesel (or K60 multifuel) may be get around this problem if there is sufficient width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 ISTR that the diesel powered one at last years W&P had the engine in at an angle.... Any one here manage to get a closer look at it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 ISTR that the diesel powered one at last years W&P had the engine in at an angle.... Any one here manage to get a closer look at it??? That was my other thought as to a possible solution but you'd have to watch lubrication and sump capacity especially if off roading. Can't beat dry sumps for off-roading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poptopshed Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I posted some pictures on here of the one at W&P last year. I will dig them out again. I was more interested in the air powered couplings used for disconecting the drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poptopshed Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 This was the post http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=8926&highlight=diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacr2man Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I know a chap was fitting V8 cummins in Salamanders, and converting them to agri spreaders, good few years ago tho , and they were a bit slow as they could not match the revs of the B81 . ITAH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Cubed Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Only a thought but what about bus or coach engines they are very flat but might be toooo wide !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz76 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Only a thought but what about bus or coach engines they are very flat but might be toooo wide !!!!! DAF and Volvo do a good range of coach engines from small city hopper size upwards. Might be worth a look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) Cummins C series is quite compact but not much revs. Cummins B series can be taken to 235bhp with intercooler fitted and is very compact. It is (was) a very commonly fitted engine and has many configuration options for bellhousings. Edited October 18, 2009 by Grasshopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 simple cog change in the trasfer box and you have 2500 rpm showing over 40 mph... but to be honest this is for off roading not for road use, so dont care about the floor or the sump. just want grunt at low engne revs and high angles of attack. ie in second...will never use any other gear I reckon and if its used just for off road i reckon the snap loads will be kept to a minimum... I really want a genuine 300 bhp at 2500 rpm,...anyone got a good idea of the right engine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormin Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 but to be honest this is for off roading not for road use, so dont care about the floor or the sump. just want grunt at low engne revs and high angles of attack. ie in second...will never use any other gear I reckon and if its used just for off road i reckon the snap loads will be kept to a minimum... I really want a genuine 300 bhp at 2500 rpm,...anyone got a good idea of the right engine... You may care about the sump being small enough to allow the crank height to match the gearbox. 300hp is a 25% increase on the original engine. Are you sure you want to but the extra through an ageing transmission? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 its not so much the transmissions age, i am more concerned about snatch loads on it. the best way to avoid that is to have enough real power to keep moving and not have to rev and shake the thing if it is struggling...well thats my theory..realisitically anything over 200 bhp will be enough, this thing will never carry much load so a cummins in line 8 seems to be the way to go...and yes get your point about the sump now, we may need to do a bit of work on the sump...or cut a hole in the tubb...? plans are in progress... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 If the primary concern is off-roading Paul then I'd have thought cutting holes in the hull floor for sump clearance is a major no-no!! Last thing you want or need is something pointy punching through a fabricated cover and then the sump itself. Be better off fitting a dry sump kit as per the original and modifying the new engines sump pan to suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 agree neil, but the plan is changing as it always does, I have found a suitable engine and am going to fit it direct to my 623, the 622 is staying with the b81 until I destroy that...I have a cummins straight 6 with 250 or 275 bhp in the offing...will see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Cummins engines have pressed steel sumps so are easy to modify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinbum Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Found these web pages re. converted Stalwarts trials with the Perkins Phaser engine but had never seen photos of it before http://www.armyjeeps.net/vehicle2.htm http://www.armyjeeps.net/stalwart/stalwartmkii.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Would like to see that when it's done please Paul!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Found these web pages re. converted Stalwarts trials with the Perkins Phaser engine but had never seen photos of it before http://www.armyjeeps.net/vehicle2.htm http://www.armyjeeps.net/stalwart/stalwartmkii.htm Interesting - nice, neat conversion and a freaky I/P to eyes used to the conventional Mk 2 Stalwart one - but with a price tag of the equivalent of £16,500 - I don't think so..... :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 will take pictures when it is started...will get it under cover soon and get started on the work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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