agripper Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 Trying to work out which are the best manuals to buy. I have seen 3 types of manuals. I know that the parts books is very usful , but unsure which other to get. I need to know which one would be the same as a workshop manual either the technical hand book or the user hand book. They both seem to carry bits on general maintainace but I need to know which I do need over which one may be of extra use. The cost is the big thing as the manuals I want if I buy all three would set me back around £200.00. :confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 X 6 Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 Trying to work out which are the best manuals to buy. I have seen 3 types of manuals. I know that the parts books is very usful , but unsure which other to get. I need to know which one would be the same as a workshop manual either the technical hand book or the user hand book. They both seem to carry bits on general maintainace but I need to know which I do need over which one may be of extra use. The cost is the big thing as the manuals I want if I buy all three would set me back around £200.00. :confused: From what you say, the technical handbook sounds most like a workshop manual. Parts books usually contain exploded views of components and their part numbers but no instruction. User handbooks are generally issued to drivers and have information about the vehicles controls and everyday maintenance. As you say, they are all helpful and useful to own. It's up to you, but, if I had the choice of only one, I would choose the technical manual if I had major mechanical work to do and the user handbook if the vehicle was fairly up together. The technical manual will tell you how to strip down the gearbox and the user manual will tell you what grade of oil should be used in the gearbox. Either way, I would aim to acquire the other two as soon as possible. User manuals are usually the cheapest to buy because they are more plentiful, and smaller, publications. Are the manuals for your vehicle available on good CD's ? All three might be more affordable if they are and you don't mind that format. It's usually manual collectors, who only hoard this stuff, that keep prices so high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agripper Posted April 10, 2009 Author Share Posted April 10, 2009 I have a vickers centurion BARV and also a Alvis Sabre. I dont know of any manuals available on cd. I would rather have a cd copy so I only need to print off the page I need and also saves space. Do you know where to get any from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 10, 2009 Share Posted April 10, 2009 I have a vickers centurion BARV and also a Alvis Sabre. I dont know of any manuals available on cd. I would rather have a cd copy so I only need to print off the page I need and also saves space. Do you know where to get any from? You may be lucky and find the technical manual for CVR(T) on microfische, and as the Cent BARV carried on in service to recent years, that may also be on microfische. Best person to confirm this is Clive (FV1609)......I am sure he will respond to this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john fox Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 are you sure of the nomenclature of the books you refer to? be careful :stop: - a technical description book is not the same as a workshop (repairs) manual - the description book is exactly that , it describes the components and how they work , it does NOT give you an explanation of how to do it, that is given in the workshop manual - the user handbook does not list the oils etc you will need. They are shown in an entirely separate book/list called the maintenance schedule given the above, the recommendation is correct: restored vehicle = user manual or work to do = workshop manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 11, 2009 Share Posted April 11, 2009 Because of the age of the Centurion, it is covered under Electrical & Mechanical Enginering Regulations (EMER) EMER TRACKED VEHICLES Centurion, all marks (ie common features) G110 Data Summary G111 Operators Instructions G112 Technical Description G113 Unit Repairs G114 Field & Base Repairs G115 Preparation for special functions G116 Preferred Repair Schedules G117 Modification Instructions G118 Inspection Standards G119 Miscellaneous Instructions Centurion, ARV was covered under EMER TRACKED VEHICLES G110/2-109/2. I am not aware that BARV had a special suffix but it doesn’t appear in any catalogues I have. CVR(T) is covered under Army Equipment Support Publications (AESP) Sabre AESPs start 2350-R-101 Sabre (Diesel) AESPs start 2350-R-111 This is followed by a final 3-digit group Comprising 2-digits to define subject matter: 10 Purpose and planning information 20 Operating information 21 Special to arms 22 Training aids 30 Technical description 41 Installation instructions 51 Failure diagnosis 52 Repair instructions 53 Inspection standards 54 Calibration procedure 60 Maintenance schedule 71 Illustrated parts catalogue 81 Modification instructions 82 General instructions and index The final digit of the 3-digit group specifies the level of information (eg 2350-R-101-711): Level 1 User/operator Level 2 Unit maintenance Level 3 Field maintenance Level 4 Base maintenance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agripper Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 I haver tyhe user handbook for the BARV and also the parts book for teh BARV but these coving only parts directly relating to the BARV. it will give information such as , ajuct track tension or fan belt or tappet cleance but does not tell you haw to achieve this. There is noting of any use as far as the engine goes. Which one of all the above publications would cover basic maintainance. I need what would equate to a Haynes manuals for the transmission and engine. If the techiniqual handbook just describes how it works which do I lookout for. Mine was built as a mk 3 , which I find a little confusing as it was part of the first batch. Did the Mks 1 and 2 not make the production runs or are these alterations made durring production. On my manuals it desribes the BARV's as mk 5 spec with teh parts book to be read in conjunction with the Mk 5 gun tank parts book. the user hand book states it as either a mk 3or 5. I just seem to be getting more confused the more I read. WHEN WILL HAYNES GET ROUND TO DOING A MANUAL FOR MINE, ITS NOT AS THOUGH ITS NOT A COMMON VEHICLE. lmao!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 There is noting of any use as far as the engine goes. That would be covered separately from the vehicle in EMER POWER series. What engine does it have & I'll look it up? Also the generator & starter motor would be covered in quite separate sections in EMER POWER. EMER TRACKED VEHICLES G100 etc covers items common to all models G100/2 ARV, Mk 2 G100/3 Bulldozer, Mk 5 G100/4 AVRE, 165mm, Mk 5 G100/5 Bridgelayer, Mk 5 G100/6 ARK, Mk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 That would be covered separately from the vehicle in EMER POWER series. What engine does it have & I'll look it up? Clive, That would be the Meteor Mk4B engine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 Clive, That would be the Meteor Mk4B engine EMER POWER S540-549 Meteor S540/3-549/3 Meteor, Mk 4B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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