Graham Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Hi. What I thought was a simple search on Google for an example of the WD stencil for marking my WW2 bike. But I couldn't find one, does anyone have a printed example I can make a stencil from please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 What bike is it and how are you trying to portray it? I'm not aware that any broad arrows were stenciled onto motorcycles, but you will find help and assistance for stencils here. https://www.axholmesigns.co.uk/ Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 Thanks Ron. I have seen a circle of canvas around the filler cap on a BSA M with a stencilled broad arrow and date I fancy copying. I assume it was catch drips and protect the tank when filling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 For an idea of the shape of broad arrow that you are looking for, how close are any of the arrows in these links? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-war-department-broad-arrow-144635314.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=C9161BDA-0210-452C-B3A8-B6FBADF2BD96&p=85247&n=0&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo%3dbar%26st%3d0%26pn%3d1%26ps%3d100%26sortby%3d2%26resultview%3dsortbyPopular%26npgs%3d0%26qt%3dwar%20department%20arrow%26qt_raw%3dwar%20department%20arrow%26lic%3d3%26mr%3d0%26pr%3d0%26ot%3d0%26creative%3d%26ag%3d0%26hc%3d0%26pc%3d%26blackwhite%3d%26cutout%3d%26tbar%3d1%26et%3d0x000000000000000000000%26vp%3d0%26loc%3d0%26imgt%3d0%26dtfr%3d%26dtto%3d%26size%3d0xFF%26archive%3d1%26groupid%3d%26pseudoid%3d%26a%3d%26cdid%3d%26cdsrt%3d%26name%3d%26qn%3d%26apalib%3d%26apalic%3d%26lightbox%3d%26gname%3d%26gtype%3d%26xstx%3d0%26simid%3d%26saveQry%3d%26editorial%3d1%26nu%3d%26t%3d%26edoptin%3d%26customgeoip%3d%26cap%3d1%26cbstore%3d1%26vd%3d0%26lb%3d%26fi%3d2%26edrf%3d%26ispremium%3d1%26flip%3d0%26pl%3d https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/wwii-1943-british-broad-arrow-rubber-406143321 https://lightwater.wordpress.com/2016/04/06/the-broad-arrow-or-pheon-used-by-british-military/#jp-carousel-29631 http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/equipment-field-gear/web-eqm-markings-british-empire-484979/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 Thank you. That is a great help. It seems that the 'broad arrow' comes in a variety of shapes so I should be able to make a stencil form these examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) The circle piece around the filler cap is pretty well pure fiction. A couple of us started it years ago by refining the rough shaped piece of canvas that a DR had fitted to his tank to obviously mop up the drips. Seen in an old B&W picture taken during the war.(16H from memory) I think I have that picture somewhere and I'll post it when I find it. As more blokes have taken to doing it, we jokingly refer to them being a fully paid up member of the 'Ring Piece Club' Frank Brown has even added it to the motorcycle canvas parts he makes (email him for pictures :- ................ pegasus-drive@sky.com) I see that he is adding a date and broad arrow........I hope it doesn't turn into a folk law myth. Ron Edited November 30, 2018 by Ron 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Just a snippet of information. The Correct term for the WD Arrow is a 'Pheon'. As we live in a sad politicly correct age now, I thought that might be 'Appropriate' (?)...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Thanks for that! Just looked it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_arrow Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11th Armoured Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 41 minutes ago, ferretfixer said: Just a snippet of information. The Correct term for the WD Arrow is a 'Pheon'. As we live in a sad politicly correct age now, I thought that might be 'Appropriate' (?)...😁 Although the quoted Wiki article disagrees: "The broad arrow as a heraldic device comprises a tang with two converging blades, or barbs. When these barbs are engrailed on their inner edges, the device may be termed a pheon. Woodward's Treatise on Heraldry: British and Foreign with English and French Glossaries (1892), makes the following distinction: "A BROAD ARROW and a PHEON are represented similarly, except that the Pheon has its inner edges jagged, or engrailed."[1] Parker's Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry (1894) likewise states, "A broad arrow differs somewhat... and resembles a pheon, except in the omission of the jagged edge on the inside of the barbs." Not sure whether that's 'politically correct' or not, but seems to simply be 'correct'... 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I think it's safe to say that the 'Broad Arrow' is based on the Pheon😊 Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 Awwww Ron, and I was so looking forward to making one! Mind you everthing else is made up on my outfit I still dress it up with one to keep the myth going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Ron said: Thanks for that! Just looked it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broad_arrow Ron That's a good article answers a question which was why an arrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 (edited) Graham you will need one to be a member of 'Ring Piece Club'!!! Mine's been on my M20 for 10-12 years now. I got a lady to sew some blanket stitching around the edge. No date or broad arrow! The myth is escalating.😕 Ironically my filler cap with the new leather seal I fitted years ago doesn't leak anyway. Ron Edited November 30, 2018 by Ron add picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 There should be a badge for the 'Ring Piece Club', not sure where I would wear it though! As you are the founding member I will collect my badge form you at next year's Netley. All this is making me want to get on the bike and have a ride up here in sunny Lancashire. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 My contribution to the 'Ring Piece Club'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 You've got the biggest one I've ever seen.....ooooow Matron. Who knows were the myth will end? Canvas covered petrol tanks??😄 Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 The broad arrow is also know as a crows foot or admiralty arrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 18 hours ago, MatchFuzee said: The broad arrow is also know as a crows foot or admiralty arrow. Yes Crows Foot still is the In Service Colloquial name for the Arrow (Pheon) 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Even molded in to the Bricks at the Forte in Corfu, either to stop Squadies selling them to the locals or the locals helping themselves ... They were part of a walkway and stapes that I stumbled upon when searching for the Toilet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 Brilliant. What like about forums is that a topic like this can bring up other related topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 12 hours ago, bigduke6 said: Even molded in to the Bricks at the Forte in Corfu, either to stop Squadies selling them to the locals or the locals helping themselves ... They were part of a walkway and stapes that I stumbled upon when searching for the Toilet. Poor Brick laying skills there Dukie! LOL. They should all be pointing the same way. Adding a Benefit of pointing 'The Way In'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surveyor Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 9 hours ago, ferretfixer said: Poor Brick laying skills there Dukie! LOL. They should all be pointing the same way. Adding a Benefit of pointing 'The Way In'! Maybe an intelligence test Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 26, 2019 Author Share Posted January 26, 2019 Ron I see a member of the 'Ring Piece Club' is selling a bike on eBay. Nice looking bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Where is the link? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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