MatchFuzee Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 MT-LB Amphibious Armoured Personnel Carrier BTR-80 Amphibious Armoured Personnel Carrier https://www.brightwells.com/classic-motoring/leominster-classic-vintage/leominster-classic-vintage-11th-july-2018/leominster-classic-and-vintage-11th-july/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Intersting. What intrigues me is - do they have engines as both as give an engine size of 0cc? Both require a shed load of work (although the MTLB looks to have very good tracks) so the £6k figure is nearer the mark on both. The MTLB is overwidth so could never be road registered, not sure about the BTR-80. I know the BTR-60 and -70 exceeded VOSA's max width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 16 hours ago, ArtistsRifles said: Intersting. What intrigues me is - do they have engines as both as give an engine size of 0cc? A good question. I have emailed Brightwells and will post the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 16 hours ago, ArtistsRifles said: Intersting. What intrigues me is - do they have engines as both as give an engine size of 0cc? . Might be because the engine size is simply not known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 These have been out on a training area since the first Gulf conflict. Intrigued as to why they have gone to a disposal source other than Witham's?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Richard Farrant said: Might be because the engine size is simply not known. Could very well be Richard - although IIRC the ads say they came from the MoD - I'm guessing trophies from the operations out there? If so the MoD would surely have had the spec's to hand? Given the current trade embargo with Russia sourcing replacements if they are missing or totally FUBAR will be difficult - to put it mildly. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted June 24, 2018 Author Share Posted June 24, 2018 22 hours ago, ArtistsRifles said: What intrigues me is - do they have engines as both as give an engine size of 0cc? 5 hours ago, Richard Farrant said: Might be because the engine size is simply not known. Richard, before your post I had already asked Brightwells, does 0 cc mean no engine or simply cc unknown. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, terryb said: These have been out on a training area since the first Gulf conflict. Intrigued as to why they have gone to a disposal source other than Witham's?????? It seems the rumours are true; https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/487700/response/1173188/attach/3/20180612 FOI 2018 07176 Beddard Witham Ltd substantive response O.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, MatchFuzee said: Richard, before your post I had already asked Brightwells, does 0 cc mean no engine or simply cc unknown. That - as the saying goes - is the $64,000,000 question! BTR-80 should have a KamAZ diesel -type 7403, 10.85 litres developing 260 hp MTLB should have a YaMZ 238, V-8 diesel developing 240 hp, capacities vary between 14.5 to 24.5 litres depending on derivative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted June 24, 2018 Share Posted June 24, 2018 39 minutes ago, Richard Farrant said: It seems the rumours are true; https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/487700/response/1173188/attach/3/20180612 FOI 2018 07176 Beddard Witham Ltd substantive response O.pdf well this will upset the applecart! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted June 25, 2018 Author Share Posted June 25, 2018 Reply from Brightwells:- Engines are present and I believe they are the original ones. At the time of uploading it was unknown but once all details have been uploaded to the website over the next few days, it will show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Thats good news. Should be able to get them running OK then. Still a shed load of work to get them presentable and neither will be road legal due to the width issues - the BTR would be a unique sight at shows though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted June 26, 2018 Author Share Posted June 26, 2018 More details on both APCs now on the auction site. No engine sizes but as in ArtistsRifle's post the BTR-80 is fitted with a 260bhp V8 turbo diesel engine. As they are from the MoD, both are subject to 20% VAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I like the descripton for the MTLB: Quote Although resurrection is not beyond the scope of the dedicated enthusiast, it is more likely that this vehicle will have a future as a static exhibit in a military collection or as an attraction at a tourist destination. The BTR is the better proposition I think for those interested. The aerials on top indicate it might have been either a comms relay or command & control type in which case getting hold of all the radio kit will be a long and time (and ££'s) consuming job. Sounds like it could be got running easily enough and a few weekends with a needle gun and paintbrush would tidy up the outside nicely so it looked presentable. Not enough shots of the interior to see how that is and whats needed to complete it (other than the radios). Sad thing is - unlike a SKOT-64 - the BTR is still over the 2.55m limit. 🙁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman10k Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 12:30 PM, ArtistsRifles said: I like the descripton for the MTLB: The BTR is the better proposition I think for those interested. The aerials on top indicate it might have been either a comms relay or command & control type in which case getting hold of all the radio kit will be a long and time (and ££'s) consuming job. Sounds like it could be got running easily enough and a few weekends with a needle gun and paintbrush would tidy up the outside nicely so it looked presentable. Not enough shots of the interior to see how that is and whats needed to complete it (other than the radios). Sad thing is - unlike a SKOT-64 - the BTR is still over the 2.55m limit. 🙁 Your get it registered there idiots at the DVLA just have to word it right I get Humvees registered with them all the time never had an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FW200 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 It's a BTR-60 btw.. Not an 80.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theman10k Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, FW200 said: It's a BTR-60 btw.. Not an 80.. That’s true I forgot to say that. Nick Mead at Tanksalot has one that’s a comms As well he got from Withams Along with a 2S3 SPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Herbert Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The MT-LB is one that the MOD used in exercises in the UK. It was rebuilt out of three damaged ones which were aquired in the (I think) second Gulf War. The next best one was made operational and has been owned by at least two private owners since. There are videos of it on YouTube. The third was stripped for spares and I believe scrapped as the hull was seriously damaged. The example being sold is a relatively late one as it has a driver's hatch but is on dry pin tracks which do not have the facility for rubber pads. There are rubber bushed tracks made for it and those can have rubber pads bolted to them. Most spares for MT-LBs are available in Poland and other ex Soviet countries but the dealers have realised that they can charge silly prices now. In theory Russian vehicles supplied to non Soviet countries were supposed to have been supplied with English language manuals but I have never seen any for MT-LB despite looking quite hard. Russian language books are relatively available and quite usefull. MT-LBs are very loud, fast, ride well but quite hard work to drive. They were well liked by their crews as long as they weren't being shot at as the armour is very thin. Lots of videos on YouTube. David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtistsRifles Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 hours ago, FW200 said: It's a BTR-60 btw.. Not an 80.. Did wonder about that as there is a lack of side hatches - however the ad clearly states BTR-80!! If it is a BTR-6- then the power plantS are 2 × GAZ-40P 6-cylinder petrol engines generating 90 hp each - and which are a pig to synchronise apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 BTR 80 sold for £8,800 MT-LB sold for £7150 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 was that hammer price plus premiums and VAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 20 hours ago, terryb said: was that hammer price plus premiums and VAT? I've never been to a Brightwells auction, so I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryb Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Probably be about the same as the others, where £10000, instantly turns into £13200 at the fall of a hammer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted July 13, 2018 Author Share Posted July 13, 2018 (edited) It looks as if the "sold price" is the "hammer price" plus the buyers premium but no VAT. I've come to this conclusion because if you divide the "sold price" by 1.1 the result is a round figure ending in £50, £100 or £1,000. Not done this to all the lots but enough to satisfy that myself that the results are consistent. Hammer price £8,000 Buyer premium £800 VAT on premium £160 VAT on APC £1,600 Total £10,560 Edited July 13, 2018 by MatchFuzee Word changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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