stanleywindrush Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 As part of the Fort Paull auction in June (museum closing) there should be two sumbs up for sale. They were mine I gave them to the museum in exchange for a knackered exhibit I was after. One was in very good nick, I had addressed all the rust and it ran sweetly with crisp brakes. The other was not very good, but I sprayed up so looked presentable.. I put the v8 from the knackered one on a stand as an exhibit for them.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Hello everyone I am looking to buy a Simca Sumb, my email address is ras@maritimecargo.com please let me know if you know of one. thanks rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin33ba07 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Try R/R Services aka Kerry Cheese in Kent ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin33ba07 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284014215039?ul_noapp=true and its a Diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMCA SUMB MARMON Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Hi all, does anyone have any knowledge about any database to get a build date for a SIMCA MARMON SUMB?? 07774416640 Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin33ba07 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 put up a request on . www.vehiculesmilitaires.com its a French version of HMFV ,there is a dedicated SUMB section there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g0ozs Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I have never found a serial number to year database. There was a breakdown of production by year in an issue of "Charge Utile" magazine - It was a 3 part article starting in No. 110 - they do turn up sometimes on E-Bay and I think the production breakdown was in the 2nd part. If I find my copy I will post the page here. Unfortunately the production (or at least French Army orders which is what it actually listed) only add up to just over 10,000 and the serials of the three I owned at various times were all in the 14,000-17,000 range. So whether they started from a number larger than 1 or used the same series for other vehicles besides the SUMB I dont know. If they did start above 1 it would be useful to know where they started. From memory of the article the vast majority were built in 1964 through 1966 with only hundreds before 1963 - presumably trials) and a few hundred a year after 1967 through to around 1970. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMCA SUMB MARMON Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 3:59 PM, Robbo said: Hello everyone I am looking to buy a Simca Sumb, my email address is ras@maritimecargo.com please let me know if you know of one. thanks rob We have one to sell in the UK, Sept 2020 ... its in very good running order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMCA SUMB MARMON Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 3:59 PM, Robbo said: Hello everyone I am looking to buy a Simca Sumb, my email address is ras@maritimecargo.com please let me know if you know of one. thanks rob We have one to sell in the UK, Sept 2020 ... its in very good running order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIMCA SUMB MARMON Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 1 hour ago, g0ozs said: I have never found a serial number to year database. There was a breakdown of production by year in an issue of "Charge Utile" magazine - It was a 3 part article starting in No. 110 - they do turn up sometimes on E-Bay and I think the production breakdown was in the 2nd part. If I find my copy I will post the page here. Unfortunately the production (or at least French Army orders which is what it actually listed) only add up to just over 10,000 and the serials of the three I owned at various times were all in the 14,000-17,000 range. So whether they started from a number larger than 1 or used the same series for other vehicles besides the SUMB I dont know. If they did start above 1 it would be useful to know where they started. From memory of the article the vast majority were built in 1964 through 1966 with only hundreds before 1963 - presumably trials) and a few hundred a year after 1967 through to around 1970. Hi Ian, thanks for yr reply. Did you get yrs UK registered?? Any tips on dating certificate and age relating? My number us 07774416640 and I'm on WhatsApp or email ndavicus@aol.com A picture from those magazines would be very much appreciated. Rob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g0ozs Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Rob my 3 were all registered on arrival in the UK by the importing dealer, years before I had them. So I haven't had to attempt the process from first principles - and they were registered as 1959 manufacture, PLG, 4 wheel pickup, 4500cc, 3475KG GVW, 2 seats. I think things have changed since they were imported circa 1995-2005 (I bought my first in 2009 and it had been in the UK for around ten years by then) so more expert advice is called for. It may actually be better to treat it as a private HGV so as not to have to stay under 3500KG which is possible but tight. I did take some precautions although they were 1959 dated on the V5 so could in theory claim MOT exemption when I had them but because most were made later I always got a Class 7 MOT to be safe - they are (just) under 3500KG unladen in practice so at least back then could be used and MoTd as a pre-1960 vehicle which simplified things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 On 9/27/2020 at 7:55 PM, SIMCA SUMB MARMON said: On 9/12/2020 at 3:59 PM, Robbo said: We have one to sell in the UK, Sept 2020 ... its in very good running order. I’m after another sumb 07989805388 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon James Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 I know of a field in France that has over 160 of these. Simca Marmon V8's If anyone needs spares contact me and I can send pictures and arrange shipping. French farmers buy a couple and restore them, and use them for log deliveries. Basically a French Unimog. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uvJ1_OGIQ5GIBfG47vPDZHjgqovWN9SG/view?usp=sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimjim176 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 That's very interesting! I bought a second rotten truck recently to share with a friend for drivetrain spares, but am definitely interested in a source of parts. Could you share the location/name of the site? We're planning to drive down to the South next May to watch the European Truck Trials, so would be interesting to stop off on the way and have a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splitty Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 12/3/2020 at 5:25 PM, Simon James said: I know of a field in France that has over 160 of these. Simca Marmon V8's If anyone needs spares contact me and I can send pictures and arrange shipping. French farmers buy a couple and restore them, and use them for log deliveries. Basically a French Unimog. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uvJ1_OGIQ5GIBfG47vPDZHjgqovWN9SG/view?usp=sharing Hi Simon. I’m looking for a Marmon engine. If you can point me in the right direction, that would be great, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaffer Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Hi again, I'm attempting to stiffen up the ride of my SUMB as it's a bit to bouncey for road use I'm replacing the suspension bushings as the rubber has perished. Also going to replace the oil in the damper any one know what type of oil is in there can I replace it with thicker type to improve it? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimjim176 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 15 hours ago, Swaffer said: Hi again, I'm attempting to stiffen up the ride of my SUMB as it's a bit to bouncey for road use I'm replacing the suspension bushings as the rubber has perished. Also going to replace the oil in the damper any one know what type of oil is in there can I replace it with thicker type to improve it? cheers Very interested to follow this! Panhard rod bushes are perished but I haven't found a direct replacement yet. Edited February 26, 2021 by Slimjim176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaffer Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I also cant find a direct replacement so I am attempting to cast my own with two part polyurethane. Thinking about 30w motor bike shock oil? To improve the dampers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimjim176 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 On 2/26/2021 at 10:14 PM, Swaffer said: I also cant find a direct replacement so I am attempting to cast my own with two part polyurethane. Thinking about 30w motor bike shock oil? To improve the dampers. That's interesting! I find a company overseas that specialises in re-casting metallastic bushes but have contacted them. Have you found a specific compound/kit? There are various threads on Driftworks, Grassrootsmotorsports etc The maintenance manual MAT4155 lists the shock absorber oil as AR 3520 or OM-15 (equivalent to OM-18). As an example, Nyco list the following info for their FH 51: Kinematic viscosity: @100°C: 5.39 mm2/s @40°C: 14.12 mm2/s By comparison Redline Heavyweight 30WT Suspension Fluid is listed as: @100°C: 22.8 mm2/s @40°C: 67.9 mm2/s Their Medium 10WT is listed as: @100°C: 17.7 mm2/s @40°C: 32.0 mm2/s Lightweight 5WT is listed as: @100°C: 8 mm2/s @40°C: 16 mm2/s I've only ever tried varying the shock oil weight on mountain bike forks and large 20kg RC buggies, so I'm definitely not equipped to give any advice on how the 5000kg SUMB would handle (and my SUMB isn't running yet), so hopefully someone with more experience could advise, but it looks looks even 10WT would give a noticeable increase in damping stiffness? Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimjim176 Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Actually, I've just noticed that in MAT4155, in table 2, they also list the following in English (the scan I downloaded only has part of that page) "Fluid Shock Absorber Heavy" JAN-F-461 Which is apparently MIL-S-46013, that's a silicone fluid. I can't find any technical specs yet though! Edited March 5, 2021 by Slimjim176 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swaffer Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I may have got over excited last weekend and I had a spare 5 litres of 0w 40 engine oil but it feels good there not on the truck yet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 On 3/1/2021 at 1:08 PM, Slimjim176 said: That's interesting! I find a company overseas that specialises in re-casting metallastic bushes but have contacted them. Have you found a specific compound/kit? There are various threads on Driftworks, Grassrootsmotorsports etc The maintenance manual MAT4155 lists the shock absorber oil as AR 3520 or OM-15 (equivalent to OM-18). As an example, Nyco list the following info for their FH 51: Kinematic viscosity: @100°C: 5.39 mm2/s @40°C: 14.12 mm2/s By comparison Redline Heavyweight 30WT Suspension Fluid is listed as: @100°C: 22.8 mm2/s @40°C: 67.9 mm2/s Their Medium 10WT is listed as: @100°C: 17.7 mm2/s @40°C: 32.0 mm2/s Lightweight 5WT is listed as: @100°C: 8 mm2/s @40°C: 16 mm2/s I've only ever tried varying the shock oil weight on mountain bike forks and large 20kg RC buggies, so I'm definitely not equipped to give any advice on how the 5000kg SUMB would handle (and my SUMB isn't running yet), so hopefully someone with more experience could advise, but it looks looks even 10WT would give a noticeable increase in damping stiffness? Good luck! Just looking at these oil specs you listed, the British military grades of OM-15 and OM-18 are identical in viscosity, except that OM-15 is a 'super clean' fluid for aircraft standards and hence expensive so OM-18 is better. I would contact Morris Lubricants in Shrewsbury for help. The Medium grade spec that you show is pretty much of the spec of universal hydraulic oil for plant (ie. JCB, etc). Oil grades for hydraulics are measured on a ISO standard and this plant fluid would be ISO 32 and easily available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton, zil131 Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 I have just stripped everything off my 59 simca marmon I have all the brake valves air over hydraulic pack master cylinder etc etc if you need anything just let me know based in Derbyshire Cheers anton I'm just going fit a modern brake system with a large servo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelS Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Question here for G0ozs: In your comments about the SUMB on 9.9.2018 you mention the carburetor as being similar to that of an old 356 Porsche. Are these the 32NDIX as manufactured by Stromberg of France ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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