lozzaboy Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Can anyone help me with the fitment of larkspur C42 and C13 radio sets in the back of an FFR Land Rover please. I got and fitted the main radios and PSU's a few years ago and got a few connections boxes etc and bolted to the dexion to at least look the part but now I'd like to get it all set up properly, and if possible working too. I'll admit to getting lost when I'v been trying to look online and not really understanding what I need etc but if anyone with a complete set up could post pictures up with what the parts are call and any other information that would be so helpful, of if close enough even meet up and see what I'm missing etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob042 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Hi That looks like a 2A 109 if I'm not mistaken. I wish I could help in the short term but I cannot think where my Larkspur FFR radio fit manual has got to. One thing, and your vehicle looks really nice from the pic and this is no criticism, is that for a 2A FFR the dexy is wrong. The early Dexy fitted to 2A 109 FFR's had a lattice type work in the middle. Many years ago in my past life, the NITAT Hythe & Lydd range wardens had one and it was absolutely mint. This would be about 1989-91 I guess. Last year on glee bay there was a set for sale and I just wish I had bought it as it went for next to nothing. I didn't because I don't have a 2A 109 FFR but would love one. I will do a trawl and see what I can come up with. Regards Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Cheers mate, its actually a 88, or Rover 8 to give it it's military name lol, the dexion came from an ex military series 3 as mine was missing, like most the rear fitting were though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seawolf Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Have you tried looking at this site has most radio st ups for larkspur radio's The Wireless Set No 19 Group http://www.Royal Signals .org.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seawolf Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Sorry above web siite before looking or getting data you will have to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Although this is your combination it is in a Mk 5, but looking under Mk 8 refers the reader to this section. What you need to look for is User Handbook for Radio Installations in FFR 'B' Vehicles WO Code No.12798 Jan 1963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Been a while since I'v been able to post on here, I have the user handbook you mention mate but it doesn't tell me (as far as I can tell) what cables I need to connect the J boxes etc up to each other that is what I'm really struggling with to find out and physically find too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Looking at the picture, I would say you were missing 2 x Top Trays, 1 x "O" box, 2 x J1's and 2 x 4 way No 4's ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 I Have got a few other bits in the house, I take it this is an O box AndyB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 And how the back currently looks after a bit of a de-clutter lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Is this what you need? Sorry upside down quick scanUser handbook for radio installations in FFR B vehicles January 1963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Yep I have the handbooks cheers mate, its just properly identifying what cables and boxes I need that I'm struggling with at the mo, as in physically seeing and identifying them etc, I see cables on the internet but no idea if I'll be wasting my money buying them and finding out if they're no use, got a few like that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Yeah see what you mean, that needs eyes on that know what they are looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 Yep, hopefully I'll be able to find a Larkspur God before too long lol :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 The definitive layout & installation details for particular combinations of Larkspur equipment in particular vehicles, (Unarmoured, under 1-Ton & motorcycles) is contained in EMER COMMUNICATION INSTALLATIONS M 030-039 to M 470-479. If you tell me the combinations of equipment you want to use I can tell you the exact sections to look for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 yep, that is the "O" (operators) box, it's purpose is to identify if the problem is the radio or harness. So having only 1 installed would deal with both sets. What you must appreciate is that a large number of the guccie equipment was not on general issue, so most were done as single set installations. In my era our FFR's were LWB as CP's comprised of 2 x C42, BID 150, and a A43. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 My current thinking for the set up from what I have already is to complete the C42 set and also see about fitting the A43 set too, and then in time see about getting the rest of the C13 set completed and fitted in the future. Also I took the FFR down the RAF Regiment Heritage Centre last week and the guys there said they used the C42 and A43 on the LAA/LLAD Sqns (Bofors 40/70's) so will be in keeping with that too as the 63 Sqn TAC plate was an LAA/LLAD Sqn in Singapore in the 60's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrett Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 And how the back currently looks after a bit of a de-clutter lol. C13 looks like its missing the atu,Ae current meter,the small box that stores the counterpoise along with the stake,think someone else said about J1 boxes,power distribution box/stop trays etc,remember that iirc without getting paperwork out a special lead is used fron the c13 aerial socket with a red band. Looking at the picture to be strictly correct you would have the HF aerial on the n/s side arm and the c42 atu on the o/s/f wing,if i get a chance i will look at my sets and paperwork but i know it's buried someplace after decorating but thats a long story. ps are you still interested in that mast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted July 1, 2015 Author Share Posted July 1, 2015 I am mate but struggling to find a way to pick it up at the mo, so if someone else comes along with the money feel free to pass it on rather then wait for me though mate cheers :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woa2 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I had a look in the REME Museum Tech Archive today and found Comms Installs M470 and M472. They run to 18 photocopies (4 plus 14). You can contact the REME Museum for the photocopies, the contact is Stuart Hepton, but mention that Robert Davey knows about the request. I am going in to the Museum again on the 15th July and can photocopy the documents then and get them sent to you. Cost is normally 10p a sheet plus postage, but contact Stuart and he will let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Matt I have some Larkspur boxes, what you got missing if any. I'll check my stores. Also seat guides arrived. So thank you very much buddy. Wayno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted July 4, 2015 Author Share Posted July 4, 2015 No prob dude :-) down in Suffolk at the mo but will check again in the week what I have/need etc :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozzaboy Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Saw this on Ebay recently, wasn't too far away from me and won :-D working C13 HF set with a C1 tuner, now just need good weather to get it fitted in the FFR :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 You are after a Larkspur B Type Harness, have a look on Wireless to the Warrior, search for control harness some info on harness types and the boxes needed for the two different ones, A and B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64EK26 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Hi The ATU you bought is for a Larkspur C11 If you look at http://www.wftw.nl/harness.html you will see all the Larkspur boxes In general for each set you will need an LT (power distribution box) and a J1 control box, and mic/headset. Power cables are two core with Plessey Mk4 2pin connectors (power goes to the set and the J1 box) Control Cables are 12 core with Plessy Mk4 12 Pin Connectors (goes from the set to the J1 box) Microphone sockets on the J1 box are 5 pin Plessy Mk4 connectors The larkspur O box is a special box that allows the operator to use the radio without a control harness, this generally only used in emergencies Hope this help Cheers Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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