question Assistance with Humber Pig Origins

[Rover8FFR]

Isn't that the exact hole position for where the switch for the indicators should be Clive. If I rip it out and fill in the whole then I will still have to re-instate a correct switch or a period looking switch for the indicators????

 

Can you advise what batteries should be used for the 2x12V in series vehicle batteries?? The battery boxes look quite large??

 

I guess getting some batteries connected would see if it works and indeed what it switches???

 

PS Sent the letter of to MVT regarding registering so thank you for your valuable input.

 

Regards

[Rover8FFR]

Clive on a seperate issue I have a Royal Signals Corps publication / instruction book dating back to 1947, which refers to communications, obviously but can't remember exact title. I will double check the title and take a pic for you and post up tomorrow.

 

If it is of value to you / your collection I will either post it or deliver next time I get to see you.

 

Alternatively could drop off at Alison's if you have a Woodley trip planned in the near future???

 

Regards

[fv1609]

Wayne the white knob thing shouldn't be there. Someone & it wouldn't have been Dale, has fitted a 3-way toggle switch in place of the 3-way rotary switch. I have one from my own stock for you. I think the hole is in the right place. Later they got lowered as soldiers couldn't comprehend which end of the original metal pointy knob was the pointy end.

 

I filled that hole in on mine & returned the switch with pointy knob to where nature had intended.

 

The original battery spec was 2x 12v 60ah. Buy the largest batteries you can afford to fit in the space to give you some reserve capacity. Useful at shows for light etc.

 

Yes thanks for RS book. I was there on Saturday stocking up. You need to come here to pick up your order & general initiation. Although I have the head off the Pig #4 cylinder has a valve seat that pops out & distorted. A new seat has been cut & seated in today. The head is off being skimmed.

[Rover8FFR]

Wayne the white knob thing shouldn't be there. Someone & it wouldn't have been Dale, has fitted a 3-way toggle switch in place of the 3-way rotary switch. I have one from my own stock for you. I think the hole is in the right place. Later they got lowered as soldiers couldn't comprehend which end of the original metal pointy knob was the pointy end.

 

I filled that hole in on mine & returned the switch with pointy knob to where nature had intended.

 

The original battery spec was 2x 12v 60ah. Buy the largest batteries you can afford to fit in the space to give you some reserve capacity. Useful at shows for light etc.

 

Yes thanks for RS book. I was there on Saturday stocking up. You need to come here to pick up your order & general initiation. Although I have the head off the Pig #4 cylinder has a valve seat that pops out & distorted. A new seat has been cut & seated in today. The head is off being skimmed.

 

I will need to measure the battery boxes to ensure the largest fit as a 60Ah battery is not very large at all. Land Rovers are around 110Ah I think???? TBC.

 

I am sure that the switch was a PO prior to Dale if that was a mis-quote meaning PO. The rotary switch offer sound great and the other switch is I guess the white one lower down in the pick???

 

I guess whilst you were there being busy you didn't find the Ign Key by any chance????

 

I will double check the RS book tonight and let you know actual title and if it is of value then it's on its way to Salisbury with my compliments.

 

Yes I must get across to see you and collect items/ continue my PIG initiation. About to move house at the mo and it's all got a little hectic. Sorry to hear of woes with RB60 engine I hope it's all easily fixable. Any particular reason as to why the head surgery was created??

 

:-)

[Rover8FFR]

Well I finally got a copy of the Minder Christmas Special DVD for 'An Officer and a Car Salesman' and the Humber in there isn't mine as it appears to be a Mk2 without cattle grid barrier at front. Also displaying a 'D' prefix road registration.

 

Good fun to watch though and there is quite a bit of PIG footage.

 

The quest goes on to see if my pig has a filmstar past.......The remnance of a Brinks Mat type shield on the doors must mean something out there.....

 

Clive did mention another lead......'Harry's game????????

 

Cheers

[fv1609]

Clive did mention another lead......'Harry's game????????

 

One of Dale's Pigs was definitely in Harry's Game, but which of the three I don't know. He gave me copy I'll lend it to you if remind me.

[Rover8FFR]

That's if I remember Friday also......As I get the feeling me head will be mush by the time you have overloaded me on PIG knowledge......:nut::nut::nut::nut:

[Rover8FFR]

Aquired an Army Oil Can today, which looks a little flimsy but is pukka.

 

Question is? Is it the correct type style to replace the rather rotten one on the side of my little piggy?

 

New and old pics attached.

 

Bit of a bargain at 99p on eBay

[fv1609]

That looks right Wayne, I think there were a number of those under the tarpaulins. Didn't know you wanted any, looks like I missed a retail opportunity! But you did very well for 99p, hope the P&P is reasonable.

[Rover8FFR]

That looks right Wayne, I think there were a number of those under the tarpaulins. Didn't know you wanted any, looks like I missed a retail opportunity! But you did very well for 99p, hope the P&P is reasonable.

 

Clive £4.37 inc P&P so think I did good! Paint finish is a bit thin so will respray in DBG as and when, albeit a PIG in desert sand appeals just because it will stand out....A LOT! But then the 4th Guards Brigade decals wouldn't look right as they were never in Cyprus from 59 onwards.....

 

Next time I come shopping at Casa Elliott I will bring the Gold Card.......Ha Ha...

 

All joking aside I prefer the Blokey retail therapy!

[Rover8FFR]

Clive having just bought 4 no Tracta Boots for the Pig in high density rubber akin to a CV boot.

 

Please see the image from my Pig where the originals are in place and they are laced leather.

 

My question is that given the lubrication lesson I had whilst crawling under FV1609 I assumed that they were rubber given that some liquids may be prevelent, albeit not a fluid filled Tracta boot to suit the jointing flanges for the inner and outer housings and rear Chobham joints.

 

Interestingly though EMER N254 (part 2) Fig 5, Page 12 does show the Rubber type Bellows.

 

 

[fv1609]

Please see the image from my Pig where the originals are in place and they are laced leather.

 

Wayne that's not original original just a previous owner's improvisation. My LtWt had lace up leathers but at least that's better than my FV1601 that had layers of thick polythene bag over the joints!

 

(Private comment, you need more than just the chapter & page of the Penguin;))

[Rover8FFR]

And there was me thinking I would impress you with some facts from the books rather than winging it, even noting the Chobham joints etc:cry::cry::cry:

 

Interesting adaptation from PO if he did that. The original parts on the landrovers are a similar pattern to those used on my FV1611A, albeit they changed over time on LR's from leather laces to more traditional lace material like shoe laces.

[Rover8FFR]

Clive more TQ's I'm afraid.

 

Clip 1 shows a catch that appears to be missing. Are these still available or something not worth worrying about.

 

Clip 2 & 3 show differing details where lugs appear/ don't appear. Is this a standard detail or are the hatches incorrect?

 

Clip 4. I noticed a detail in the canvas for this fitment that appears to be a blanking plug of some kind. What is it for?

 

 

[fv1609]

Wayne ok

1. Inside mechanism missing/rusted away for a 'boat hook' type catch to hold hatch open. I have some new ones of these but in brass.

2. Projection to limit extent of hatch opening.

3. Missing above.

4. Facility for downlead feed for aerials when using an external radio mast. All Pigs had these whatever role. They were used in NI as mounting points for the quadruple barrel CS projector (Discharger Grenade No 11 Mk 1)

[Rover8FFR]

Wayne ok

1. Inside mechanism missing/rusted away for a 'boat hook' type catch to hold hatch open. I have some new ones of these but in brass.

2. Projection to limit extent of hatch opening.

3. Missing above.

4. Facility for downlead feed for aerials when using an external radio mast. All Pigs had these whatever role. They were used in NI as mounting points for the quadruple barrel CS projector (Discharger Grenade No 11 Mk 1)

 

Thanks for that. Item 3 dies that suggest that they were ground off for some reason as I don't think they would of broken away. Would the REME have removed them to allow hatch to open more for some reason???

[fv1609]

Wayne it would only open further if the lump on the other hinge was missing. Can't see that removing these stops would have any benefit, it would just put additional strain on the hinges. I've no idea why its missing.

[Rover8FFR]

Mmm! I think they are both missing so no doubts best to weld some lugs back onto them in due course. :-D

[fv1609]

Yes probably a good idea. Apart from the strain on the hinges, considerable effort would be required by the user to close the hatch down. If you look at that picture of Dale stood in the driver's hatch you will see the hatch cover is about 45 deg above horizontal.

 

That requires minimal effort to close down, but where those stops are missing the lid will lie below the horizontal & require leaning forwards & giving quite a bit of upward lift before it can be swung down to close.

[Rover8FFR]

Yes probably a good idea. Apart from the strain on the hinges, considerable effort would be required by the user to close the hatch down. If you look at that picture of Dale stood in the driver's hatch you will see the hatch cover is about 45 deg above horizontal.

 

That requires minimal effort to close down, but where those stops are missing the lid will lie below the horizontal & require leaning forwards & giving quite a bit of upward lift before it can be swung down to close.

 

In reality it would of also made you an obvious target if you had to be physically above the parapet as it were! Sobering thought. One might say!

[Rover8FFR]

I have purchased a duplicate copy of the user handbook for an FV1611A, which I ordered from the Milweb Bookshop.

 

In the interim of tracking down a genuine UHB it seemed like a good purchase at £14.00 plus postage costs.

 

For those of you who are new PIG owners this may be an option you would consider until that genuine copy becomes available.

 

Sorry about quality of pics / orientation as my 9 month old son was swinging on my arms to grab camera/phone. You will get the gist of it though :-)

[fv1609]

Wayne certainly very good value & I'm glad these repros are around as it takes the burden off me where people ask me to do copies for them.

 

I've always thought this edition of the publication is misleading (not Milweb's fault) as it claims to cover the "with winch" version. But there is no coverage of the winch!

 

This was corrected in Amendments 1-4, these were incorporated in a reprint. This reprint was still "Issued February 1960" it changed from WO Code No.12246 to Army Code No.12246 signifying it would have been issued after the abolishment of the WO when the MOD (Army Dept) was formed in April 1964.

 

Apart from this the newer publication states it incorporates the Amendments 1-4 & is also designated U4316/1. It has the additional Section 6 Specialised Roles giving very detailed information on the winch.

[Rover8FFR]

Whilst I cannot comment on the original document as I don't have a copy.

 

The copy I have states amendment #1 dated 21.02.1962 and that is all it states.

 

However you are quite right as Section 6 Specialized Roles is covered under Amendment 1, which covers the winch, it's parts, it's operation etc.

 

Other noted changes under Amdt 1 are details thus;

 

Contents and description (pages 3-6).

Sections 6-13 Transmission and Suspension (page 11).

Section 144 Electrical fittings and blanking plugs (page 61).

Sections 244-260 Section 6 Specialized Roles (Page 121-130)

Appendix 'Cross reference to servicing operations 'for army use only'.

[fv1609]

Whilst I cannot comment on the original document as I don't have a copy.

 

Wayne, ah you have the advantage over me I don't have a copy of the copy. I didn't know anything had been entered on the Amendments page, my version of that edition has no amendments.

 

So that's good news for those with a winch & its good news for me, otherwise there might be a trickle of requests for me to scan Section 6:D

[Rover8FFR]

Wayne, ah you have the advantage over me:D

 

Well that will be the one and only time I am sure !

 

Section 6 contents in pictorial fashion as follows;