Mark

Hello MM Dust the numbers and letters on, but do not leave the stencils on to long before the paint has dried, otherwise it pulls the edges off the numbers etc.

Hi Chris and welcome to our little gathering her, remeber always send the biscuits to Berni, she loves em.

Hi Richard Try posting the same message on G503 forum, its all about jeeps on that era

Part timer Jack :lol: :twisted:

Hi Richard Try this little bit, its a brief outline Nigel thanks for that, it would appear that the powers that be are insisting on having all vehicles registered. This is nothing new, in fact the materielle de guerre law has been in force since 1946 although it has been somewhat relaxed. If we have to register evreything even down to a gask mask (which is the law at present) then we will have to do it, but the authorities will be creating a rod for their own back. The article is by and large alarmist. What it amounts to is a tighter control of military items which include vehicles. The cannot cover vehicles that are registered in the EEC if they are registered in their own respective country and the imported into France temporarily for an event. The authorities cannot refuse entry and if the vehicle is declared with the necessary paperwork then there will be no problem. From my point of view it might be a trifle inconvenient for some, but the serious organizers will not be unduly concerned by this advent.

If you go pioneer corp Jack, will you be able to get a log on the truck :?:

This does beg the question, "Will our government of today jump on this band wagon and do the same thing to us" :idea: they are prone to spoiling peoples fun, especially where it may look good in the polls and gain a few votes to the ignorant people among us who know nothing about our hobby, and can only see green military vehicles that represent war and not the true reason for them :!:

Hi Again This translation has been sent to me of the original release by the French authorities and explains the whole idea behind the action, any thoughts :?: So what is going on in France? Is it the end of civilization as we know it? Or will it all blow over and things continue as though nothing had happened? Can we safely sign up for Béthune and other excursions to France without putting our precious vehicles at risk of being confiscated and torched? The Decree of 23 November 2005 has certainly got the French MV establishment very worried, especially as representations by influential, well connected and highly qualified people have evidently been brushed aside. I suspect the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Politicians are keen to be seen making a dramatic gesture, but don’t want to end up looking ridiculous. Like the rut in a herd of deer, a series of staged clashes determine who is going to be top dog – sorry, top stag! The current Minister of the Interior (Home Secretary), Nicolas Sarkosy, is widely regarded as the heir apparent to Chirac and they hate eachother. Sounds familiar doesn’t it. The threat of terrorism has produced a string of extreme and controversial measures on both sides of the channel and a lot of the freedoms we have taken for granted risk being seriously curtailed in the backwash. Gesture politics is probably even more evident in France than here – witness the refusal of the new Mayor of Béthune to have anything to do with the liberation festival which was such a hallmark of Bernard Seux, his predecessor and rival, in spite of the pain and anguish this caused to traders in the city. So the way this legislation has been dealt with is probably down to point scoring on the national stage. In reality, we may see little change apart from the paperwork, although the requirement to keep all military vehicles in secure storage may create problems for collectors who don’t have lockable garages or barns. It will all be down to how rigorously the new law is enforced and this will probably vary from prefecture to prefecture. Some prefects may make a gesture “pour encourager les autres”, but they are unlikely to risk bad publicity by being seen to persecute a harmless and generally popular hobby group. It could be bad news for rusting hulks fallen on bad times and sitting in fields, but I doubt if anyone will really bother that much. A bit like health & safety law in France, no one is breathing down your neck unless something goes horribly and publicly wrong. I think we can safely assume that events like Béthune and Normandy will not change for us in any way, except perhaps greater care in ensuring that the Prefectures in all Departments visited are fully aware and on side. If we are undertaking solo trips, we will have to do that preparatory work ourselves or risk finding ourselves and our vehicles briefly incarcerated like Rex famously did in Arromanches all those years ago. Oh, and make sure you have your de-ac certificates with you! Extract from Véhicules Militaire magazine, Feb 2006 issue This article concerns the Decree of 23 November 2005, which affects the law applicable to war material, arms and munitions falling within the scope of the Defence Code and modifies Decree No 95-589 of 6th May 1995. The reaction of Alain Quemener, president of FFMVCG The sum total of the work done by the President of FFVE, by the President of the FFVE working party and by the Military Committee of FFVE, one of whose members is an eminent lawyer, is a long way from being proportionate to the outcome published in the decrees which affect the law applying to internal security. It is true that we have been through a very testing time, but the law now places new constraints upon us which treats as one all weapons, weapons systems and vehicles. Some of the articles detailed below shed some light on the effect of these constraints. Art 8 Art 32.1 Dispositions under article 40 can be authorised for individuals to acquire and hold war materials, weapons and munitions: - Persons exhibiting weapons, material and munitions of any category in museums which are open to the public; - Other statutory bodies, public or private, of general interest or with a cultural, historic or scientific purpose, which contributes to the conservation, knowledge or study of weapons of war. For war Category 2 material, para 1, 2, 3, 4b cover equipment with provision for the attachment and detachment of additional fuel tanks and para 4c also for Category 3 material. - Individuals who contribute, through assembling collections, to the conservation, knowledge or study of weapons of war. For war material in Category 2, see 2. - II. Except for prototypes, authority to acquire and keep war material described in para 1 will not be given for material in Categories 2, 3 and 4. Exception will be made where the first example of the same type was placed in service 30 or more years before authority is requested and the last example was constructed at least twenty years before that date. - III. By way of derogation of the provisions of Article 24, and subject to the provision for recovery available under Article 44, authority to to acquire and hold war materials given under para 1 is not time limited. When such authority relates to Category 2 material, the authorised keeper must advise the Prefect of each Department affected when any change in location is made. Art 10 - Authorisations are made under Article 32 by the Prefect of the Department where the museum, establishment or individual holder is located. If the item comes under the heading of a historic monument, a decision can only be made after consultation with the Minister for Culture. Art 11 - 8th: All applicants for authorisations under Article 32 must be accompanied by a description of measures taken to protect the material from theft or breach of conservation measures. - All applicants other than museums must provide full documentation of the war material to be covered, notably the date the first example of the type entered service and the date the last one entered service, de-activation certificates for armament systems and arms carried. For Category 2, para 3, aircraft capable of flight, a copy of all valid airworthiness documentation must be included. - For individuals, the supporting credentials of their legal representative, their location and business must be given. On a positive note, collectors of military material are recognised and we can communicate freely with them.However, an application for authority to keep material which requires the production of documents as described above adds weight to the process and elevates it to the status of a grey card. Besides, the crirteria covering the de-activation of weapons systems and arms carried are not defined here: they will be spelled out in a joint declaration by the Ministry of the Interior and the Ministry of Defence before March 2006. How then will armoured vehicles be treated? Art 19 Art 55-1. Category 2 and 3 items described in Article 32 must be kept in a secure location. Category 2 para 3 aircraft will be kept in a hangar unless their size prevents this. Land vehicles, boats and aircraft must be rendered incapable of immediate operation. Weapons systems and arms carried must be de-activated in accordance with the modalities prescribed by the Misitries of the Interior, Defence, Industry and Customs. The security criteria for locations where material is stored are not defined, neither are the criteria for temporarily immobilising vehicles. Art 22 IV. Where authority for the acquisition and retention of Category 2 and 3 war material under Article 32 is rescinded, unless they are subject to investigation for possible classification as a national treasure or historic monument, they will be consigned for destruction by an authorised dealer in war materials, as provided under Article L.2332-1 of the Defence Code. Altrnatively they may be exported under the provisions of Articles L.2335-2 and L.2335-3 of the Defence Code and the Decree of 29th January 1993 concerning items of heritage value, placed under movement constraints, or could be given permission to be acquired and retained under the provisions of Article L.622-16 of the Heritage Code if they are classed as historic monuments. If a collector does not obtain authority to keep such material, he will not be allowed to do so. This might seem to be wholly or partially subject to the right to property, but a collector will never be able to understand the refusal to allow certrain material to be kept and the insistance in its destruction. Art 25 h) Category 2 war material imported under a temporary permit from Customs, tracked vehicles which have to be carried on a transporter with pneumatic tyres will have to conform to Article R.314-1 of the Highway Code. This provision is made to cover the importation of material from other EC countries under the terms provided by Council Regulation No 2913-92 of 12 October 1992; in applying the Customs Code, the importation of war materials will be treated as EC merchandise. What about temporary exports? Does this mean that in future events such as Beltring, Tanks in Town or Bastogne will take place without the participation of French collectors? The declassification of material falling in Categories 2 – 8 should have enables us to avoid this problem. But this proposal was rejected by the legislature. We do not know the reason for this refusal. The detail of how this decree would be applied should have been passed to us before publication. We were ready to contribute fresh proposals in the hope our position would be taken into account to a much greater extent than it has been. In fact, the FFMVCG has constantly taken trouble to bring collectors of military material together to take a truly responsible attitude out of respect for remembrance. These blunders, inaccuracies and signal failures by the administration risk encouraging deviance rather than responsible and mature compliance. The work of FFVE and FFMVCG renowned for its quality and integrity is a t risk of being destroyed. These collections are certainly unusual, but they constitute a historical and industrial heritage without equal. The enormous effort, patience and commitment they require deserves better! Gentlemen legislators and administrators, it isonly through dialogue and consultation with those who have specialist knowledge that you gain respect for the law! Emailed letter to mrmbers from Yves de Thomasson, Secretary of ‘Escadron de l’Histoire, 5/2/05 Dear Friends As you will have read in the MV press, the law we have been fighting for the past three years has unfortunately been passed. This law places military vehicles in the same category as weapons and imposes obligations on their owners including the requirement to declare vehicles to the Prefect of Police, with the risk that they will be confiscated and destroyed. Faced with this, the Escadron de l'Histoire has decided to follow the advice of the FFVE and FIVA, some of whose members belong to our club and whom we have been supporting. Their summary of this grave situation appears below. - Three years ago, the so-called “Sarkosy Law” on internal security was adopted, inspired mainly by the risk of terrorism. At that time the FFVE gained a last minute concession which recognised that clubs and collectors would be allowed to own former military vehicles when the original text envisaged that only state institutions would be recognised as owners. Last November the Decree emerged giving effect to this law. In spite of all the efforts of FFVE, none of the amendments submitted to the assembly and the senate have been accepted, which means the decree poses a special threat to collectors. The provisions which shocked us most were firstly the failure to distinguish between military vehicles and the weapons which they could carry, and then the absence of a date before which such vehicles could be considered obsolete and simply items for collection. Finally, no indication was given as to how any weapons mounted on these vehicles should be de-activated. Under these provisions, all former military vehicles, including Jeeps and motor bikes from the 2nd World War, or even the 1st, would be considered Category 2 weapons and thereby subject to the following disposal: Any owner of this type of vehicle must declare it to the Prefect of Police of his Department and obtain a permit to keep it, which can be revoked at any time. The declaration must be made before November 2006. The vehicle must be kept in a place secured agauinst intrusion. Failure to make such a declaration or where a permit is refused by the Prefect, the government has the right to sieze the vehicle without financial compensation to the owner and to have it destroyed by the army. It is therefore very urgent to act now and the FFVE plans to set in motion three courses of action which, depending on the outcome, should rendwer invalid the November 2006 time limit indicated above. These three actions would be: - An appeal to the Council of State to annul the statute, - Placing a new law before Parliament, - As a last resort, an appeal to the President of the Republic All these steps will cost a lot of money and the FFVE does not have the means to undertake all of them. That is why it is asking for a special contribution from all military vehicle clubs. The FFVE is asking the Escadron de l’Hiastoire to make a contribution of 500 euros. The governing committee of EH is asking for this to be placed on the agenda of our next AGM, which will decide whether to pay this sum to FFVE with a view to protecting the interests of Military vehicle collectors. We will keep you informed. Yours sincerely, Yves de Thomassson, General Secretary EH

Ok here is an update from Nigel at Milweb Nigel thanks for that, it would appear that the powers that be are insisting of having all of the vehicles registered. This is nothing new, in fact the materielle de guerre law has been in force since 1946 although it has been somewhat relaxed. If we have to register evrything eeven down to a gask mask (which is the law at present) then we will have to do it, but the authorities will be creating a rod for their own back. The article is by and large alarmist. What it amounts to is a tighter control of military items which include vehicles. The cannot cover vehicles that areregistered in the EEC if they are registered in their own respective country and the imported into France temporarily for an event. The authorities cannot refuse entry and if the vehicle is decalred with the necessary paperwork then there will be no problem. From my point of view it might be atrifle inconvenient for some, but the serious organizers will not be unduly concerned by this advent. It would be helpful, if you were able to send me a printable copy with the full text please Nigel, I can then take this up with Paris and perhaps we can then do a short news item for milweb or something. Kind regards Gerald

As from November 2006 our french friends are going to ban military vehicles from their roads (please see Milweb for more info) this is going to have a BIG impact on our trips abroad and events there, hopefully more information will be coming out soon. http://www.milweb.net/News/france/ Please look at this link

You have to close the door and lock yourself in or there are to many distractions

Why go to these military events if you are not prpared to take part in them and be on your own :?: I cannot see the logic in that :shock:

I use a ten man artic tent with liner, it is warm in winter and cool in the summer and pleanty of room for me and two kids. I find that the price of tents are extreme as everyone is trying ot get in on the act of charging as much as possible because of demand.

And bloody cold so wrap up warm

They are continually updating so keep on checking

hanks men ow cometh u got they so quick ave u got it on oder or sumtink (cant pick me up on spelling a richard

wHAT ISSUE OF THE MAG HAS jACK'S ARTICLE BEEN PRINTED IN I HAVE NOT READ IT YET AND I HAVE THE LATEST COPY (I THINK FEB)

Just past the golf course if you are coming from Badbury Rings, and overlooking the signals camp and Hall & Woodhouse brewery, its in a field overlooking all these and the town itself.

The Mark 11 owned by Ian West is in Kent if that is any help

Hi Dougy The dates for the steam fair are 30th August until the 3rdSeptember 2006 should be a date for your diary then.

Hi Tim I have just rebuilt my steering box and there is nothing to it, you have one screw and the forks that go into it, top and bottom of the column are ball bearings with no cage (be careful they do fall out) these balls should be 0.295" in diameter (thou) or near enough, I put some new ones in from an old bearing and cleaned everything up, new oil (gear), made new seals, and made a new support for the steering column itself like a bearing and put together, yes there is play in it after all this partly dur to the forks worn a bit and that there is a lot of play normally as from new, but this can be adjusted out to a certain extent, as my book says and someone said before, so give it a go could save a lot of money.

With that red on it are you sure you are not doing Jacks :wink:

HI The IMPS AGM is taking place at the Glenforth Club in Dartford on the 2nd March, if you are interested please come along it's where the new people get voted in for the board.

Hi Paul Have a look on the IMPS website http://www.imps.org.uk, I believe the nearest meet to you is held in Redhill RBL Club, but you should find the area secretary on there if not get back to me and I will find out.

Well done Jack once again you put us all to shame :oops: well worth the wait I think :wink: p.s. you are good are'nt you