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Another set of Vulcan wheels and rear axle. Noticable is the pattern to the bolts holding the axle tubes to the diff housing. Doug

Spoke pattern indictes from a Vulcan. Doug

Tom, Further to thread #16 ID of truck. Came across a photos of a Peugeot 1525 with similar radiator and curved bar. However what was made by who under licence. Doug

Looking over the results of figures paid and trying to sort out what was which amount of buyers premium. The question is to what condition is a vehicle classed as having the 15% on first 50,000, or otherwise as parts having the greater premium? Those vehicles that appear to be complete, but not necessarily going appear to have a lower premium rate. It was not ourselves who purchased things from down under! Doug

Are there any figures available as to the number of vehicles that traveled over to France for the events? Any from other European Countries? Doug

I have located a couple of photos showing the same design of bar protecting the radiator. Images from The Saurer Museum collection. The images are from a different model, a smaller vehicle with a lighter radiator pattern. Doug

An interesting vehicle from the photo. I would say it European, German,Belgium, Swiss or similar area. I also thought of Tatra but the early trucks had a totally different bonnet shape, while the cars of the time follow this radiator design. ( Researching latter Tatra imports in NZ, so some data is on hand) I would say it's Saurer or Berna. Doug

Am I seeing things ; The white area leading from the door towards the roof, is that a Picasso type design of a naked lady. I see a long leg, body and breast. Then much of Picasso's work was far more abstract and broken up about the canvas. Getting back to the true nature of this Forum; Least these ladies are painting on canvas Doug

There are some rather good 'Dazzle' painted ships the colour of which is replicated on surviving Picasso type paintings However I guess you probably in need one of the more dull ship paint schemes to sample! What an idea Tom! An interesting way to match colours! Visit an art gallery and expect the staff to allow me to get up to a Picasso and check colour swatches against the original. Or are you suggesting Picasso used war surplus paints? Just looking at photos of those patterns as used in painting the warships make my eyes loose focus. Doug

Confirm it's a Sheldon trade mark. I have two examples here of worm dive rear axles with those same marks. The oil fill plate is totally different as those here and others seen are all a round disc. The insignia on the bearing caps is another feature not seen here. The front axle is similar to a Wichita I have, the chassis it is similar but the spring mounts are different. Mine also has cast spokes. An identifiable feature of Wichita is a curved front cross member, but not as pronounced as that on a White. It could be any one of a number of American assembled trucks using propriety parts. Doug

Thanks Roy for the input. I've been looking over the parts here of WW1 period vehicles and trying to get a colour match to swatch codes. Wheels have the best paint retention although some chassis do hide bits of paint. Aside from washing the paint areas down some areas have been gently rubbed down with wet and dry sandpaper to revel the progressive layers of paint. The swatches used are BS 381. The grey paint applied first on a 1916 Leyland, appears to be Dark Admiralty Grey. Progressive layers appear as Dark Sea Grey and Medium Sea Grey. These latter two colours continue on into the 1920's being found on latter chassis wheels. Thornycroft pre WW1 have the colour Medium Sea Grey moving on latter to Dark Sea Grey. Aircraft grey is also in there as a layer as well as being found as well on other mechanical items of the time. The variation between the dark shades of grey is small, as is the same with the light shades. This would follow on from Roy's comment to the colour blending being not a specific measurement. These colours are only the lower layers, the more recent upper paint layers were not matched as they would be from latter commercial use colour schemes. I don't have a battle ship or the like to compare paint samples to, but considering the names used one does suspect a naval link to the original colour. It was an interesting afternoon trying to take these samples. A day was chosen without strong direct sunlight, giving a diffuse light without glare, for matching colour. I have also scrapped off paint samples and placed them in envelopes as a future record. Doug

Do you know if the original grey colour was the same tone as used for navy ships? A common supply? Doug

Reading through the terms and conditions of the sale showed the fee of 25%. However this drops to 12% if you buy an item greater than one million pound! Doug

Add also 25% buyers fee on top of any purchase. Doug

I've been looking through the listings however some of the parts are by the shelf area. That means a bulk buy of a great numbers of similar parts when only a few are required. Would this manner appeal to a scrap dealer and encourage them to buy? Doug

This issue of neighbours objecting the types of land use even occurs here on the other side of the world. Often it is new people moving into an existing neighborhood, then to find points are not to their satisfaction and start the complaint process. It is not only to urban areas, but has all sorts of problems to maintaining rural agricultural operations. Have you tried using the local newspaper with an article and photos featuring your vehicle, its history of the type and similar background. A setting with old service personnel about will also add to the story line. Such publicity will raise the profile of the vehicle to the wider community. A down side could be an increase in people traveling the street to view the vehicle! Doug

That sign at Elvington. It has a significant error. There is NO "e" in the name Thornycroft as the manufacturer. Who will tell them of their wrong doings! Doug

Welcome aboard to another Kiwi. Lets know of your location. Doug

Tony, Do you transport the Dennis with the roof section over the driver up? I would have thought the greater wind and air pressure at speed could cause damage to the canvas. Thanks Doug

Can you tell me of Mike's location or contact details. Would like to visit and compare notes. Send PM. thanks Doug

It would be interesting to hear from anyone who can relate to the stylized KF on castings of other makes of vehicles, or different periods of time. Doug

Thanks Steve for the name. I've spent some time trying to piece together any link with the numbers and letters stamped on various Thornycroft front axles, about the king pin areas. To date I have looked over 11 axles but have no significant pattern emerging.The KF appears on only two J models then in different forms being more stylized as a YK joined together. Other axles have stamped a variety of letters and numbers. A, H, T, l, N are all found separately on different axles. Could the other letters be also foundries? I was assuming they were otherwise inspection stamps. Doug

Your new axle out from the storage pile has a metal shield plate about the end of stub axle to deflect mud etc and give some protection to the bronze bush. Did the original axle have one of these deflection plates? I've noticed from my own collection some axles have this metal plate, while other axles do not have them. Again a change in design over time. Were there any other stamped numbers or letters about the king pin area that may help in placing these axles into a time frame of manufacture? Doug

Is there any sign on the plans of a point allowing ramps to be positioned about the mud guards? The mud guards themselves appear to be too light to support the placing of timber.A couple of planks as ramps would assist in loading if the wheels were still in place. Doug

While these parts could be viewed as a pile of rust, these do represent sections of a vehicle that appears to be rare or unusual and therefore worth storing in anticipation of being available for a future restoration. The wheels, axles and associated parts are all suitable for use. Once gone to scrap those parts are no longer available. Save storage is needed, along with identification. One day the discovery of more matching parts could give rise to another significant rebuild. I can't offer the storage as home is too far away, and we seem to pick up like pieces from within this country (NZ)of odd vehicles. Doug