the-blue-cloud Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Who can help me? To which type of vehicle is it? The recording will be from the time 1958/59 and is taken in Germany. Is it possible to closed any information about the mark "44" and "4" or the Number "95 BE 47"? Can the uniforms be helpful in determining the time? I am interested in the approximate period and unit to conclude conclusions on the area. Thank you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snort Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 It's an Austin Champ and details might be found on the number from the 'Austin Champ Owners Club' 1953 into the 1960's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john1950 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Austin Champ. If you give it some time you will be getting a blizard of information. I can hear the pages turning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 this champ came into service in 1955 the number 4 is the bridge plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 At the time of the photograph it was serving with the 78th division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
79x100 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 The '44' arm of service serial looks to be on a horizontally divided background and in the centre there looks to be a Royal Artillery red / blue tac sign which would fit in with that. I don't have a list of post-war Arm of Service serial allocations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 At the time of the photograph it was serving with the 78th division No, by this time 78 Div had been disbanded over 10 years. The battleaxe formation sign was taken on, post-war, by 11 Inf Bde with HQ in Minden. So, as this is clearly a Royal Artillery vehicle and if it is in 1958 then it will be from 19 Field Regiment RA also based in Minden, West Germany and equipped with 25 Pdrs. The white "X" on the badge on the radiator grille suggests it is the Battery Commander (BC) of the 2nd Battery (red in 2nd quadrant - lower right after 1st which is top right) (possibly 28 Fd Bty). The 95BE47 is of course, the vehicle registration number - as found on B vehicles registered during 1952/3. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally dugan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Sorry got it wrong on the 78th are you saying this champ 1952/53? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I don't have a list of post-war Arm of Service serial allocations. There are some lists here: http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?7897-Post-War-British-Army-Markings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Sorry got it wrong on the 78th are you saying this champ 1952/53? Most BE registrations were 52/53 starting with 00BE01 and most Champs, about 5000, with BE registrations were registered in those two years. I didn't look up the individual vehicle. But, I have done now and, this actual Champ, according to the Austin Champ Owners Club, being 95BE47 is actually quite late in the batch so its DIS is later - 1955. But, early fifties, with, according to their site the last one, 17BF88, being registered in 1956. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Many thanks for the numerous references. The photo comes from the years 1958/1959, certainly autumn or winter. I still have a photo of soldiers. Can something be closed from the uniforms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10FM68 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Were these two photographs taken on the same occasion? I ask because the second photo seems to be rather different. It is difficult to tell, but, judging from the peaked caps of the two officers present, they look more like guards officers than gunners. The standard British Army officers' Service Dress (SD) cap tends to be fuller than the two shown - with a broader crown and larger peak. But officers of guards regiments favoured caps with smaller crowns and shorter peaks (see photos of FM Alexander, for example). The officer on the left appears to be a major, with a single crown on his epaulette (though he may be a subaltern with a single star, but, as he is part of an "observing" group rather than a "doing" group, I'll plump for his being a major!) His jacket doesn't seem to be standard issue as it has a built-in hood, but it isn't the issue parka. Again, this points to a more senior officer as it could be a personally tailored item. It is worn over, probably, issue combat trousers with blanco'ed anklets which have polished black leather straps. The officer in the vehicle - which seems to be an Auto Union Munga - is wearing a greatcoat with brass buttons. The third soldier is in either a set of denim overalls or, more likely, one-piece coveralls - there appear to be loose ankle straps and he hasn't got them tucked in to anklets. He seems to have a brassard on his right arm and a standard issue dark blue beret. The final individual seems to be a civilian in a trilby. Are they watching a demonstration? As I say, I think the vehicle is a Munga, which points to BAOR, or more likely, Berlin Brigade, but did the Munga in British Army service have the spare wheel on the RHS? Anyway, that's the best I can do - over to others for their opinions. 10 68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-blue-cloud Posted March 25, 2017 Author Share Posted March 25, 2017 Thanks very much for the comments! Be an expert in matter! Yes, the photos are the same day and yes, the car in the background is a DKW. Very well recognized! I'm excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My assumption is that the company Auto Union presented the car of the RAF and showed off in the area around Düsseldorf / Germany. Also is possible around Minden. The British Army in Germany had 2 Munga guys! In a variant the spare wheel is on the right side. The best known picture was made on the occasion of the visit of H.M. Queen Elizabeth II in Berlin in 1965. You will find this: or http://www.multi-board.com/board/index.php/Attachment/18002-queen2-jpg/?thumbnail=1 Complementary question: Is there still a clearing point, which manages image material from Berlin? Search pictures with MUNGA vehicles in Berlin and information on how the cars were separated and whether there is a chance to determine what the special car has been used by the Queen (Mark: 24 XG 47). Is there a forum of former soldiers from Berlin for the time of the 60-80s? Thank you very much for any reference! Regards from Gemany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogmaner Posted June 18, 2017 Share Posted June 18, 2017 This may be of youse ,the side mounted spare is fitted to the 6 and 8 seat versions of the munga. The munga where also to be found been yoused by range master's ,so may tie up with the artillery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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