robin craig Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Good day, I am trying to settle a dispute that needs documents for me to prove the point. Can anyone point me to any document on the web or any manual that states to what level of protection the original FV432 family were built to please? To make it very clear, I do not need the Bulldog upgrade level details Thanks in advance R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 andym Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I'd be surprised if you can find any reference to a STANAG. The best I can see is the description in AESP 2350-T-250-101 (Purpose and Planning Information) that simply says: "The FV432 was designed, primarily for use in Europe, to meet the requirement for a light armoured tracked vehicle to transport ten Infantryman in full battle order and their weapons safely in battlefield conditions." Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 robin craig Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share Posted November 14, 2014 I was hoping to find something in the Bulldog project that might say something like "The FV432 doesn't even meet current standard ABC123 and hence needs raising to " but alas not as yet. Still searching R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 fv1609 Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 What you really need is the FVRDE Secification. I have about 150 of these but few cover AFVs, those that I have found refer to the Constructional Specification where I think you will find what you need. Whether it will quote a Standard is another thing. For current designs there is a clue in DEF STAN 23-7 Design Guidelines for Armoured Fighting Vehicles chapter 14. Here it quotes Specifications that may be quoted in a design based on various levels of protection defined in a STANAG. STANAG 4569 Annex A - KE threats Annex B - Landmines If you google the STANAG you will find the various levels of protection. I do have FVRDE Specs for FV420 & FV426, I can't currently find them. But I don't know how similar the degree protection was compared with the FV430 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Cold_War_Collection Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 Good day, I am trying to settle a dispute that needs documents for me to prove the point. Can anyone point me to any document on the web or any manual that states to what level of protection the original FV432 family were built to please? To make it very clear, I do not need the Bulldog upgrade level details Thanks in advance R Original ? that might be tough to find. May be easier to find the specs that were issued for Tender. I have in my bookshelf at home series of Docs that I had when I worked for a local PMC, and there is some comparative analysis of different AFV platforms as we were doing the A3 RISE M-113 upgrades at the time, I'll have a look this evening when I get home. I do recall that the FV 432 was on par with the A1 M-113 (.30 ball, shell splinter, AP light AT mine....good luck to you with anything bigger than TM-57 though....) You may find a cross ref. with the US Army TACOM (Tank Command) historic data, as they tested everyone else's stuff. Just so you know, I'm going to set up a reference Library at the new site, so, in the future, if you need anything, we might have the reference you need. (We are collecting book and docs now as part of the collection) cheers Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 andym Posted November 14, 2014 Share Posted November 14, 2014 I was hoping to find something in the Bulldog project that might say something like "The FV432 doesn't even meet current standard ABC123 and hence needs raising to " but alas not as yet. Still searching R Bulldog itself didn't do anything to the FV430 hull, it just fitted a new engine and gearbox. You'd be looking for the specification for the Theatre Entry Standard for Afghanistan etc. I'm not sure that would be in the public domain. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 robin craig Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share Posted November 15, 2014 some interesting responses, we seem to be getting closer. I need to prove a point, with someone who doesn't want that being done, so I need ironclad documentation. I am not at liberty to explain much more than that, but I need to be able to drop a sheaf of papers on the table if push comes to shove. Clive yours sounds like it is close R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Richard Farrant Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 As the vehicle is still in active service currently, I do not think these details should be aired on the internet. If they are laid down in writing somewhere, they would be on a "restricted" (or higher) document. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 robin craig Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share Posted November 16, 2014 Dear Richard, I respect your viewpoint. I will search elsewhere R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robin craig
Good day,
I am trying to settle a dispute that needs documents for me to prove the point.
Can anyone point me to any document on the web or any manual that states to what level of protection the original FV432 family were built to please?
To make it very clear, I do not need the Bulldog upgrade level details
Thanks in advance
R
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