paulob1 Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 yes seen that abroad many times before, common practice. is it really illegal in the UK? I wonder how it would be illegal...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 ... I wonder how it would be illegal...? Axle loading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 The system was utterly determined that it would meet C&U hence all the palaver with wheel sizes and stability issues. As I have said before the Scammell IMMLC was three axles not four, but the decision was that the much smaller numbers of IMMLC would cause less stress on German roads and could therefore be outside the regs. Like everything else the second axle was ok though once you understood when it was going to be a help and when it was going to be a hindrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulob1 Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 so as long as your not overloading the axles lifting the non driven axle without a wheel is not a problem... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Oh I am sure it is a problem... But as I say that was the original idea (but it was the mid 1980s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooky Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 so as long as your not overloading the axles lifting the non driven axle without a wheel is not a problem... Now that would be a conversation at the side of the road with VOSA :nut: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 It's a ratchet strap-actuated lift axle officer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I once saw a Scammell EKA, not long into service, that had been out on a job and returning in the early hours. It was parked outside the workshop when I got to work, with the nearside of rearmost axle chained up, no wheels. It appeared they were coming along a straight road when a wheel overtook them on the nearside, across the road and dissappeared into a wood. Being Recymechs, they find a way, so hobbled in on 5 wheels. They went back later and found the wheel deep in the wood. This highlighted a problem of the wheels loosening and a torque wrench was carried from then on. Apparantly Scammell had problems at this time with the 8-wheel Constructor tippers doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 This highlighted a problem of the wheels loosening and a torque wrench was carried from then on. Apparantly Scammell had problems at this time with the 8-wheel Constructor tippers doing the same. I remember this problem but it was common to most manufacturers, I think it was ERF that suffered a lot of problems with snapped wheelstuds rather than loose wheelnuts. Several people were killed by wheels coming free and at least one haulier and his driver went to jail although were freed on appeal after several months. The road deaths brought things to a head and the Road Research Lab were called in to examine the problem although I don't remember hearing anything about the results. All our drivers were under strict instructions to check all wheel nuts every day and although we suffered the odd broken wheel stud probably due to overtightening we had no more instances of lost wheels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosrec Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 This highlighted a problem of the wheels loosening and a torque wrench was carried from then on. Apparantly Scammell had problems at this time with the 8-wheel Constructor tippers doing the same. I remember this problem but it was common to most manufacturers, I think it was ERF that suffered a lot of problems with snapped wheelstuds rather than loose wheelnuts. Several people were killed by wheels coming free and at least one haulier and his driver went to jail although were freed on appeal after several months. The road deaths brought things to a head and the Road Research Lab were called in to examine the problem although I don't remember hearing anything about the results. All our drivers were under strict instructions to check all wheel nuts every day and although we suffered the odd broken wheel stud probably due to overtightening we had no more instances of lost wheels. During my apprenticeship we we were told to tighten well oiled wheel nuts till the sqeaked when you jumped on cracker bar never lost any wheels but did suffer broken wheelstuds. at the time worked on all british range of vehicles plus volvo scania and daf it always seemed to be british trucks that had problems though the scandanavian and dutch trucks gave problems when actually trying to remove wheels as the seemed to be froze to the axles as they relied on hubs to hold wheels on not cones on wheel studs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 [ During my apprenticeship we we were told to tighten well oiled wheel nuts till the sqeaked when you jumped on cracker bar never lost any wheels but did suffer broken wheelstuds. at the time worked on all british range of vehicles plus volvo scania and daf it always seemed to be british trucks that had problems though the scandanavian and dutch trucks gave problems when actually trying to remove wheels as the seemed to be froze to the axles as they relied on hubs to hold wheels on not cones on wheel studs Got to say I was taught exactly the opposite, never to oil or grease studs as it caused overtightening and led to wheel stud failure. Guess you pays your money and takes your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbrook Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The tank transporter holy mantra - wheel nuts and tyre pressures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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