timo376 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 I have a 1962 Hotchkiss jeep, 24v & it has begun to run a little rough. :-( It is loosing power when going uphill & may possibly be running on 3 cylinders. :cry: I had it serviced at the begining of the year, with new spark plugs, however I'm not sure the plug gap was set correctly, Does any one have the gap settings? or any ideas as to the problem? The jeep is back in the garage next week, for its MOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyB Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hi Timo For the plugs 0.45 - 0.55 mm and the points 0.35 - 0.45 mm. Regards AndyB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commander Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 I have found quite a few of these tend to close the plug gap it seems on there own when being run so whip the plugs out and check them first of all C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Is the ignition dry? Moisture can be a pain. My brothers M201 ran a little rough in the summer. Replaced the spark plugs by the CORRECT ones and now seems to be OK. Are the plug leads OK? Condensator? Succes. For MOT that's not a problem is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanpart57 Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Don't know if this helps but I've had a few problems with my M201 this year as well! After Beltring it started running a bit rough on the way home, then died completely just after I got back. this was traced to a burnt out coil, so pretty obvious to sort that one. However since I changed the coil (plus points, condenser and plugs) it has started to misfire and backfire on the overrun when warm, everything seems fine but the points have already grown a pip after about 150 miles. So maybe another condenser needed? It has been suggested to me that it could be a problem with fuel additive build up (i normally use Castrol Valvemaster) and the problems do coincide with me having started to use 4 star LRP from Sainsburys! I have filled up with 95 UL and Valve master to dilute the LRP and hope to flush the system through with a decent run this weekend. Watch this space and I'll let you know if it works. I've already tried pouring Redex down the carb at a fast idle, this only served to create lots of smoke and annoy the neighbors no change to the misfire. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FV601 (R.I.P.) Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Something found on B Series engines is that the condensor even when replaced with a NOS one can be at fault as they tend to lose their capabilty after time on the shelf. We normally get over this particular problem by fitting a modern day Landy one. Not sure if this could be a fix for you but its worth a try Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmite!! Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Something found on B Series engines is that the condensor even when replaced with a NOS one can be at fault as they tend to lose their capabilty after time on the shelf. We normally get over this particular problem by fitting a modern day Landy one. or fit electronic ignition, get a friend to try one out first, Does it work Stuart :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanpart57 Posted November 16, 2006 Share Posted November 16, 2006 I put a Maplin (Velleman kit) electronic ignition on my sons Dolomite and it worked just fine. I would like to do the same for my M201 but with the 24V system it may be a problem. Velleman give alternative component values for a 6V installation but not 24V, I have calculated new values for 24V but not tried them out yet. I may get in touch with them and get their comments, the kits are only about £10 so not much to loose but good potential for gain! Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo376 Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Just a quick update, The jeep passed its MOT no problems, I got an electronic ignition fitted, to replace the points & condenser. Drove the jeep out of the garage & then 12 miles into Carlisle without any problems, THEN!!!! :-( It began to loose power again!, I went home on the back roads as i couldn't get over 30mph, then 20, then 10, Eventually I managed to coax it back to the garage. After another check over, I needed a new spark plug, new HT lead, new dist cap & rotor arm! It seems one of the springs inside the spark plug broke (?) & this has caused the end of the HT lead to burn away, the Rotor arm was off centre & wore off one of the contacts on the Distributor cap!, :cry: replacements bits put on, BUT, plugs 2 &4 aren't firing!!, Now I need a new coil!! :dunno: I haven't told the family yet, but all this is coming out of the Christmas budget, Anyone for a Christmas Burger? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo376 Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 Just got my jeep back from the garage this week! haven't had the bill yet In the end she needed a new no. 2 HT lead, a new spark plug, a new distributor cap, rotor arm & a new coil. I also had an electronic ignition put in. She seems to run fine now, so obviously something else is about to go wrong. :angel: Still, I didn't half miss her, even with the weather there were numerous days I really wanted to take her for a spin. Thanks for all the advice & look forward to seeing some of you in 2007, here Up North Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 How do Ingleton Poster Boy 2007... :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie The Jeep Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 That sounds like there's a story there????????? Do tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 The Scary redcap driving the (now running nicely... jeep) on the Operation Home Guard poster (Events thread)... Sooner or later everyone I know ends up on one of me posters ...not my event just my photoshop fiddlings :computerterror: Nice event BTW for all the northern types amonst us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlinwolf Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Ah so you are responsible for 2 of our Sea Bees, Jason and Steve, on there as well as Timo then Bodge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 'fraid so :whistle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo376 Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 It looks a good photo, I'd like a copy of it please!! The show really hot & unfortunatly, my jeep suffered from the dreaded vapour lock & the SeaBees & James had to try & push her, that didn't work & had to be towed through the town centre :oops: We'll be trying again this year though See you soon Bodge & Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick50 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 Hi,please could someone tell me what electronic ignition kit to fit to a Hotchkisss 24 volt please. Thanks to anyone who can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy63 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 dear guys problem in 24 v hotchkiss ignition system is the coil they are old and in a closed box. try to find a new one. willy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2x18 Posted November 4, 2010 Share Posted November 4, 2010 dont fit a electronic kit , ive had no end of trouble ( at war and peace this year ) we take the jeep on a trailer to long distance shows , running fine (off trailer and to chip shop ) then nothing not a spark , towed it back , brought new coil , still dead checked everything ( by loads of people ) electronic kit at fault rang company about kit (no answer) sat - sun - mon rang me back mon afternoon Sorry sir out of warranty , buy another kit and we will send it to war and peace jeep had traveled 150 miles Brought a new dizzy from jeep parts , ( cheaper than a kit ) now runs better than ever i thought electronic kit had to be great , fit and forget how wrong i was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsailing Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Hi I have electronic ignition fitted to my 24volt Hotchkiss at the moment it will not start is there any test for the system or is it throw away and buy new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert ren Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I have sorted the problems out with the internal 24 volt coils, I remove the troublesome 24 volt internal coil and throw away then fit an external 12 volt coil with the ht lead going into the distributer , I connect the supply to the 12 volt coil via a cheap 24 to 12 volt dropper from ebay, all the rest of the sparking system including the condenser can be left but good idea to fit a land rover condenser if any misfires still remain, the external coil running at 12 volt is cool and reliable I have lots of pictures of variouse different methods to bypass the troublesome 24 volt system on my website under projects/modifications www.willysjeepuk.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert ren Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 more pictures to help you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert ren Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 picture showing the Ht lead connected in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert ren Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 you will need a little nut for securing the ht lead and crimp on a little connector , the little nut can be pinched from an old set of points, see picture you can do a short test run without the 12 volt dropper connected as long as you connect the supply to the coil from the + on the front battery of the two, this will do for a short distance but the batterys will soon get unbalanced as you will be pulling from the one battery that gives 12 volts best fit a cheap dropper in the system to take the 24 volts down to 12 on way to coil, ( a nice 10 amp unit on ebay is about £25 It works superbly well, i have done many of these mods on troublesome Hotchkiss jeeps, you then also have the option of running a phone charger, satnav , 12 volt cd player etc from the same dropper once the ignition is on, if the dropper ever failed all you have to do to get home would be connect a short lead from the front battery(12v) directly to the coil+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert ren Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 misfiring when hot can also be inadequate tappet clearance , the tappets expand slightly when the engine warms up and one or more may be not have enough gap to close fully when engine heats up hence the misfire when going up long hills or under load check you have at least 10 thou clearance on your tappets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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