BIG AL PRICE Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 during ww2 who would be responsible for repairing ammo boots?would it be down to the individual soldier or would they be sent into stores or........? RASC? thanks for the help guys. Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 R.A.S.C had thier own cobblers then. Do you need a pair re-soleing / new horseshoes, & studding then? Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I think you will find it was the RAOC & they didn't half work hard. Working two 8-9 hours shifts a day they were expected to carry out 1,000 major boot repairs per day! There they are in No.2 Section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 surely this would be RASC not RAOC wouldnt they be busy with ordanance related jobs? Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) surely this would be RASC not RAOC wouldnt they be busy with ordanance related jobs?Nigel Nigel, The Royal Army Ordnance Corps was the storekeeper and supplier to the Army. They would supply and repair uniforms, inc boots, repair tentage, etc., vehicle and parts, tyres, furniture, food and rations, you name it they supplied it. It might seem the the word "ordnance" refers to weapons and ammo, but that is only part of their role...or was, now joined together with RCT, successors to RASC, to form RLC Edited January 19, 2010 by Richard Farrant amended re. RLC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 RAOC boots & all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elsdon Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 There is an old outdoor/surplus shop in Aberdeen just across from where i work, that has NOS Ammo boots stored away in its deepest recesses, they just require the nails fitting, im sure they are dated about 1950! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ford 369 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Nigel, The Royal Army Ordnance Corps was the storekeeper and supplier to the Army. They would supply and repair uniforms, inc boots, repair tentage, etc., vehicle and parts, tyres, furniture, you name it they supplied it. It might seem the the word "ordnance" refers to weapons and ammo, but that is only part of their role...or was, now joined together with RLC, successors to RASC. that is why I like this forum ,you learn something new everyday,as you guessed I was just looking at the word ordonance and assuming that was their roll.I presume that the regimental quartermaster was supplie with goods by the RAOC and then distributed kit from there on ? Nigel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I am allways impressed with Elliot finding manuals or descriptions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL PRICE Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 cheers for the replies guys,brilliant. Clive,can you tell me the manual those pics came from please.i would love a copy of that! as a re-enactor,one of the displays i want to do is field repairs for boots,i have lots of bits for this,hobs,heels,soles,lasts ect so want to be wearin the correct capbadge. thanks again,keep it coming please! Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 cheers for the replies guys,brilliant.Clive,can you tell me the manual those pics came from please.i would love a copy of that! as a re-enactor,one of the displays i want to do is field repairs for boots,i have lots of bits for this,hobs,heels,soles,lasts ect so want to be wearin the correct capbadge. thanks again,keep it coming please! Al Hey Al, sounds like a load of old 'Cobblers' to me.................................:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 The key documents are Regulations for Army Ordnance Services. Volume 3. Pamphlet No. 37. Instructions for the operation of a returned stores depot in the field. 1944 & the same 1954. 26/Regulations/2476. Would be nice to see a cobblers display. Like you, I find the peripherals of conflict far more interesting than guns & swords. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL PRICE Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 oh.my.lord..... that trailer looks awsome! that would be an excellent display piece. gonna hve to start that lottery again i think..... thanks again, Al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Al why stop & boots why not repair some other things? That is if you have enough tents & trailers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I'm intrested in the trailer itself. do you have any specs for it? Was it a generic tyupe, and who manufactured? I'm still trying to track more detail on our WS10 trailer. That may, be on display this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Tony sorry I have no idea what the basic trailer type was in WW2. As for 1954, I can find no suitable trailers in my 1954 FVRDE catalogue, so presumably they were still running of the WW2 type. I guess they would have been 2-Ton rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Oh Nuts! Thanks for looking. May be lucky and come across a manufacturers plate on it yet. The dor layout is virtually identical. This leads me to suggest, that the sides and roof would be removable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaw Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Clive While we are on a thread re repair depots etc, do you have (or anyone else) anything about Local Repair Service (LRS) workshops of the REME (especially in desert conflict)? Don't want to hijack this thread so maybe posted as a seperate thread might be good. Regards Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 While we are on a thread re repair depots etc, do you have (or anyone else) anything about Local Repair Service (LRS) workshops of the REME (especially in desert conflict)? Don't want to hijack this thread so maybe posted as a seperate thread might be good. Gary, I will try not to step on Clive's toes here :-D I was a bit mystified by your "Local Repair Service", but on investigation, it is the wrong meaning of L.R.S., which actually stood for Light Repair Section, an element of a Divisional Workshop. Afraid I cannot find anything more specific than that. (info from REME history - "Craftsman of the Army"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Richard I was thumbing through that one as well anyway that saved me thumbing any further. Gary, apart from the usual REME Manual & REME Training Manuals, I have for desert warfare Unit Standing Orders & Standing Operating Procedures for a Parachute Squadron RAC Workshop REME This is Issue No.1 Copy No.1 & is indeed rare. Note that it says "a Parachute Squadron RAC" & it predates the formation of The Parachute Squadron RAC by one year. The expected field of conflict was of course the desert. I am convinced I have a more general document which the above was based on that was from procedures & organisational experiences of a REME Airborne Workshop in Palestine. I can't remember the exact title & I can't for the moment find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Gary,I will try not to step on Clive's toes here :-D I was a bit mystified by your "Local Repair Service", but on investigation, it is the wrong meaning of L.R.S., which actually stood for Light Repair Section, an element of a Divisional Workshop. Afraid I cannot find anything more specific than that. (info from REME history - "Craftsman of the Army"). Richard, From MY time in the Service, it was known as an L.A.D, with which you will know of Im sure. L.A.D = Light Aid Detachment, which is a small workshops that was attached to nearly every unit in the British Army. This may well be the Postwar Derivitive name for L.A.S? Just a practical thought....... Mike :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferretfixer Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Richard, From MY time in the Service, it was known as an L.A.D, with which you will know of Im sure.L.A.D = Light Aid Detachment, which is a small workshops that was attached to nearly every unit in the British Army. This may well be the Postwar Derivitive name for L.A.S? Just a practical thought....... Mike :-D Just as an 'Add On' information snippit for those members who may be interested, but dont know. The Army repair system goes like this in a chain of command: L.A.D = Unit Repair workshop. Get you home temporary repairs. Permanant repairs, unit inspections & routine repairs. Field Worshop = Large workshop, also deployable in times of war. A Wksp caperble of more major & difficult repairs. Major assembly replacement that spares were not held for at unit level. IE: Engines, transfer & Gearboxes, steering units Etc. This would alos cover all other equipments, Radio, Weapons, Etc. Base Workshop = Major overhauls & rebuilds, Total replacements Etc. Today, in some instances a Base Wksp can be the Civvy factory that actually manufactured a particular item. I also worked in one of these doing in Civvy Street doing refurbs & Major replacements on Small Arms. Sadly, these days, Worshops are run on a Comercial basis by SERCO (Thumbs in MANY pies!) Basicaly, a similar three tier system is ongoing. But you indent for forwarding a particula equipment with the defect & they get back to you with a job number & call the equipment forward. This pretty much has a standard price for the repair & the .M.O.D is billed accordingly. Another reason why the Services are always banging on about correct usage procedures & correct servicing. To prevent costly repairs. The usual, all about money. :red: A lot of servicing has gone out to tender contracts as they recon it's more economical?? :undecided: There is still a lot of 'Saving pennies & Wasting thousands though!!!:mad: Mike. :undecided: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 This is how vehicle recovery & repair would have happened in 1967. The actual procedures are laid down in EMER MANAGEMENT F 110 - F 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzaw Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Gary,I will try not to step on Clive's toes here :-D I was a bit mystified by your "Local Repair Service", but on investigation, it is the wrong meaning of L.R.S., which actually stood for Light Repair Section, an element of a Divisional Workshop. Afraid I cannot find anything more specific than that. (info from REME history - "Craftsman of the Army"). Richard Thanks for correction, don't know where I got local repair service from but yes it is the Light Repair Section - I am trying to get anything of the desert operations by them etc. Regards Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Richard Thanks for correction, don't know where I got local repair service from but yes it is the Light Repair Section - I am trying to get anything of the desert operations by them etc. Gary, I omited to say that in the ref. book where I found the meaning of LRS, it specifically said that it related to 1939-45 period. If I can dig up anything further, I will post it on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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