eddy8men Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hi guys I bought this from ebay ,the seller claimed it came from the placy montaigu region and could have come from a tiger 1,now i'm no expert on these things but i thought it was worth a gamble as it certainly looks like it came from a german vehicle.If anyone could shed some light on it's origins i'd be very grateful.many thanks eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I'd reckon the best people to speak to about it would be the Tank Museum at Bovington (they have a Tiger 1 theyv'e restored after all) They also have the biggest research archive of any museum on armoured warfare. I'm sure theres a link to that on their website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 thanks for the reply,i'll give it a go.by the way i used to have a 434 in germany, i loved my barra.all the best eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 here are the dimensions dia 7", length 14", weight 35 kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 could be, either from a panther or tiger -the generator of P3 and P4 is GTLN 600/12-1500 so possible the 700 is for the larger HL230 motor. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 Again steve your knowledge of all things armoured amazes me,I had posted this on another forum this morning and a chap from poland posted the diagram for a panther dynamo and it was definately the same one,do you know if they were interchangeable with the tiger.I have to admit i'm pretty chuffed i had a nasty feeling somebody was going to tell me it was a motor from an old table saw .i owe you a pint(Again) all the best eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 A quick Google shows that particular dynamo model number to have been fitted to the Panzer III Ausf. E-F as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 All i need now is a few other miscellanious bits and pieces and i'll have a complete panther .Anyone want to lend them to me .it is xmas after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 eddy8men do you know if they were interchangeable with the tiger. I would imaging that they are interchangeable panther motors are (600bhp) Hl230 p30 as were Tiger 2. Tiger 1 motors were HL230 p45 (700bhp) the change in performance could be the carbs. Generators should not vary much or at all as the electrics are all a muchness. The French used a number of Hl230 motors on protoype tanks in the post war period and if I remember correctly a fleet of 60 ARL44 tanks, with motors classed as 575Bhp and a very very limited use of a few Panthers Post War. So it is probably not surprising that a number of HL230 parts are around. Wheels and tracks reported two crated HL230 about 20 years ago. Actually I think you should go for a ARL44 or a AMX50 rather than a Panther now that would be a head turner. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Elsdon Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Again steve your knowledge of all things armoured amazes me,I had posted this on another forum this morning and a chap from poland posted the diagram for a panther dynamo and it was definately the same one,do you know if they were interchangeable with the tiger.I have to admit i'm pretty chuffed i had a nasty feeling somebody was going to tell me it was a motor from an old table saw .i owe you a pint(Again)all the best eddy Its a motor from an old table saw! bom bom tish :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 If your in the buisiness of buying and selling this stuff, i'd ask the Tank Museum at Bovington how much they'll give you for it? Bet they'll pay top price, better than putting it on Ebay (but you could try that as well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 actually i was gonna keep hold of it and swap it for something else with bovington when the need arises,(black prince would be nice) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Well you could try I suppose! I think you should try and swap it for the Rolls Royce Silver shadow armoured car, they can only say no cant they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 yeah i hadn't thought of that one,but i didn't want to be too unrealistic they might think i was just kidding around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoelH Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for it? Cheers IW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 20, 2009 Author Share Posted December 20, 2009 no problem i could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Barrell Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I wouldn't hold out much hope from Bovvy, they would be delighted to receive it as a gift but are unlikely to offer you anything for it. If you want to sell it, do so. Listed correctly, it would sell well on ebay or offer it to a collector well known for his German AFV interest and make a useful contact in the world of tank restoration! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodge Deep Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Whats the significance of the bell type thing on the casing? Is it a bell? how would you hear that inside the engine compartment or is it something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveo578 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 At a guess it is probably a mechanical voltage regulator Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy8men Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 There's a schematic of this genny on the warrelics forum just go to search and type in panzer generator eddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 I'd reckon the best people to speak to about it would be the Tank Museum at Bovington (they have a Tiger 1 theyv'e restored after all) They also have the biggest research archive of any museum on armoured warfare. I'm sure theres a link to that on their website I learned recently that one of best friends and Army buddies has got himself a job at Bovvy and apparently spent Sunday doing work inside the Tiger turret. things must have changed. In my day, "working inside the turret" was a euphemism for "sleeping off a hangover". 1. Nobody will find you. 2. If anyone thinks to look inside the turret for you, you stand a chance of hearing them and looking busy. 3. If you don't hear them, when they look inside the hatch, all they'll see is the top of your head and can reasonably assume you are checking out the gunner's / commander's (delete as appropriate) sight. Just don't snore. SUCH a giveaway. Catnapping in the turret. Mmm yes that takes me back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazz Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Alien, I've got a pic of me in this posn somewhere, most find and post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Army FV434 Instructor Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 were all guilty of that one, you can always spot someone who'd been doing a sleeping inspection of the turret when he got out due to him having cramp in his neck. what was said earlier about Bovington taking it as a gift, It reminded me of something. I was talking to one of the curators when i was there and he said when the first arms amnesty happened after the Hungerford masacre, some police force sent them an old live 38 webley revolver and about 20 rounds of ammunition through the post in a jiffy bag, that someone had handed in at the local nick. He said there was hell on......you couldent make it up could you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 Alien, I've got a pic of me in this posn somewhere, most find and post. There's a picture somewhere of EVERYBODY in that position! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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