Great War truck Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 This is going to be a thread for the anoraks. Sorry. No one has ever really identified all the different truck lamps used in WW1 used by the British (American trucks are easy - Adlake, Dietz or Solar) and looking through my photos i have come across many different types. I thought i would post a few photos for your thoughts. I have many more to add. The ones along the back all appear to be Lucas "King of the Roads" (model 742 i think). In the front row in the middle are a pair of unknown make but with the gas generator integral. Either side of them are some of the more common P&H or Miller headlamps. Here is a Miller or P&H sidelamp. Another Lucas sidelamp and unknown headlamp with integral gas generator. Only just visible is this Miller or P&H headlamp which has been reversed. the reason for this was to offer an element of protection to the glass from flying debris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Good to see a new tread. Can we get the previous points on lamps from the Dennis restoration copied over? My son Karl asks if this will also include search lights as mounted on some vehicles? Stretching the context, but still a light! Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minesweeper Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Yes - you are right! We have Acetylene Searchlights on our FWD and the two Autocars instead of orthodox headlights, so they are relevant. No doubt Tim will pick this up. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 Do you mean the small searchlights that were mounted to the scuttle or the larger ones that were mounted on the back and used to spot for aeroplanes. These were more commonly just carried on the back and unloaded when they were to be used? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 An aircraft search light; Well its still a lamp, even though the candle power was probably greater than the combined output of the truck fleet. (or was it described as a company of trucks). Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minesweeper Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Quote - "We have Acetylene Searchlights on our FWD and on the two Autocars instead of orthodox headlights, so they are relevant." The single Headlamps on the FWD and the Autocars are described as "Searchlights" as they swivel on their mountings and are swivelled by physically grasping the wooden handle on the back of the lamp and aiming the lamp in the desired direction! You and I are talking about different types of Searchlights, Doug! Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) The sidelight brackets shown on Tims pics appear to have supports for both sides of the lamps, is this so either hand of lamp can be used or did military lamps have dual fixing? Here is a lamp which is most certainly a headlamp as indicated on the label. The manufacturer is H&B and was most probably supplied just pre-war. Does anyone know the corresponding King of the Road Lucas tail lamp to the 724 side lamp? as I am looking for a replacement. Some interesting lamps here: http://www.prestonservices.co.uk/lamps.htm Tom Edited November 24, 2009 by Charawacky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx42 Rick Cove Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Tim, I don't know about the lights, but the vehicles in photo 1 and 3 are WW1 Albion A10's. Any chance of more complete photos? I just love the bonnet muff. Thanks Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx42 Rick Cove Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Photo 4 is also an Albion A10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 Tim,I don't know about the lights, but the vehicles in photo 1 and 3 are WW1 Albion A10's. Any chance of more complete photos? I just love the bonnet muff. Thanks Rick Rick I have sent you an E-mail. These bonnet muffs appear quite often on new trucks. They seem to dissapear when they have been in active service for a while. They would probably make quite a cosy blanket for the driver too. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 The sidelight brackets shown on Tims pics appear to have supports for both sides of the lamps, is this so either hand of lamp can be used or did military lamps have dual fixing? Here is a lamp which is most certainly a headlamp as indicated on the label. The manufacturer is H&B and was most probably supplied just pre-war. Does anyone know the corresponding King of the Road Lucas tail lamp to the 724 side lamp? as I am looking for a replacement. Tom Taking a quick look through my photos it appears that they all had twin forks. The reason for this is probably two fold. It presents (as you suggested) a need for "handing" the lamps and will provide a much firmer grip on the lamps thereby preventing the fatigue which would be caused by a single prong. Not sure of the corresponding KOTR tail lamp number. I will consider that further. I have several poor views of the rear lamp on the crossley and by and large they are very poor quality and all duifferent types, except for this one, which appears to be a KOTR: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minesweeper Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 We have a rear light just like this one on the Military Autocar - I'll get a photo tomorrow - and the number. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 KOTR I asume is the manufacturer's initals. What is the company then? I ask this as to date have not come across this label before. How many other manufacturers produced lamps for the WD? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minesweeper Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Lucas - "King of the Road". The only ones that I have seen with the WD marking are Lucas, Miller and "P and H". I do have a Horn made by "H and B" which is engraved "WD". I think that this firm may have made lamps as well but not sure of that. "H and B" = "Howes & Burley Ltd" I have taken photos of that Rear Lamp mentioned above and Tim will post later. Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Thank you. KOTR of course King of the Road!! Have a number of KOTR lamps here to go on vehicles Thickness here this morning on my behalf. I will allow the rest of you to add extra comments to my lack of logic!! Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minesweeper Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 We have all done that! Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Here we are. Same lamp for sure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charawacky Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Here is a the only picture I have of the Staff Car in India in 1966 showing a lamp on the rear, but it is indistinct, judging by the originality other fittings and it could be the car was supplied with it from new. Can it be identified? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Sorry Tom. I cant quite make it out. I do not recognise the high top as being a British makes but i have seen a number of French ones like that. of course it could be locally procured. I presume that you no did not get that lamp with the car? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWDTEXAS Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have shown these a few days ago in pre ww2 trucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have seen pictures of Dietz lamps on Quads, but that is about it. Have you seen them on anything else during the war? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlangham Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Rick I have sent you an E-mail. These bonnet muffs appear quite often on new trucks. They seem to dissapear when they have been in active service for a while. They would probably make quite a cosy blanket for the driver too. Tim Have you seen them on used on non-Albions before? I've got a great photograph of a line up of Albion A10's down one side of a tree lined road, all with the blankets on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 Here are some photos of our Solar acetyeline generator for the FWD. it is not quite the right pattern but is very similar: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx42 Rick Cove Posted March 29, 2010 Share Posted March 29, 2010 Have you seen them on used on non-Albions before? I've got a great photograph of a line up of Albion A10's down one side of a tree lined road, all with the blankets on I would like to see that photo. Any chance of uplaoding it or sending it to me? thanks Rick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nz2 Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 Quietly over a period of time we have been collecting up suitable lamps for our vehicles. Miller side lamps were purchased then along came a couple of Miller tail lamps. One only is marked WD. Last week Karl buys another lamp, this one made by P&H and carrying the markings RAF. As per the photo it has a bolt at the back for mounting, but not attachment bracket. Being marked RAF puts a date as after 1918, however now the questions evolve as to its use when electric lighting for vehicles was becoming more the norm. Was it a hand lamp for security or similar rather than a vehicle lamp? Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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