shawn Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 hi everyone hope ive posted in the right section, by posting here i have a scammell explorer and many moons ago i put a meadows type 6pc 630 engine in, the problem was it was a static engine that ran a water pump. It will go up to a certain amount of rev's and thats her lot, i have been told i need a two speed pump. I not sure but have been told that a similar pump is in a foden , but i dont know how true it is !!! it is a CAV pump inline . i need some info or any help would be gratefully recieved to try and get this girl going. thanks in anticipation shawn reed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFowler Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hi Shawn , Good choice of lorry mate ! I'm afraid I don't know the answer to your problem but hopefully someone on here will ! If you get a minute could you post some photos of the old girl in the Explorer gallery with a few details and maybe her military reg and chassis number ! Thanks mate and good luck ! :-D Andy http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=7057 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) hi there shawn i allso have a meadows powerd explorer but mine is diesel i take it by u stateing that your is a 6PC 630 that yours is petrol but saying it was powering a water pump allso sounds like it is diesel. so come on shawn wot fuels the beast ??? or have u got one of these funny half petrol half deseil engines like our ROB :-D nick Edited August 15, 2009 by younggun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 (edited) hi everyonehope ive posted in the right section, by posting here i have a scammell explorer and many moons ago i put a meadows type 6pc 630 engine in, the problem was it was a static engine that ran a water pump. It will go up to a certain amount of rev's and thats her lot, i have been told i need a two speed pump. I not sure but have been told that a similar pump is in a foden , but i dont know how true it is !!! it is a CAV pump inline . i need some info or any help would be gratefully recieved to try and get this girl going. thanks in anticipation shawn reed Shawn you have an industrial engine which is designed to run at a constant rpm for generator/compressor/pump use. Your local diesel specialist will be able to modify the governor for all speed automotive use. Mike Edited August 9, 2009 by radiomike7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 8, 2009 Author Share Posted August 8, 2009 hi everyone sorry for the confusion, she originally had a petrol engine in her, but i found a diesel static engine and put it into her. nick......had your explorer a static engine in it, if so who did the conversion ? how long have you owned her for? mike. .... i have tried two different places close to me hoping to get the pump sorted but to no avail , as people never get back to me, they dont seem to know about these old engines....any suggestions im in the manchester area.....do you own the S26 illustrated as your header ? my next toy, would love one !!!!! and i will post some pictures when we get back home, as we are away on holiday at the moment ? there is a picture of one of my trucks on the constructor gallery......its the dixons blue one, everyone seems to be wondering about. thanks guys shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 hi everyone nick......had your explorer a static engine in it, if so who did the conversion ? how long have you owned her for thanks guys shawn have owned my explorer for about a year now i dont have much on its history or who put the meadows in the engines recently had new head gaskets fited . my engine has scammell meadows on the rocker covers so i belive it has allways bin in some typ of watford product more on off my explorer here http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=10485 where about are u from shawn ? nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrtcrowther Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 H .... To be honest we need to see a picture of your diesel engine. The meadows engine was made in two applications...Automotive/ 130bhp@1900rpm intermittant. And industrial/100bhp@1600rpm continuous rating. I know for a fact the valve timing was revised in later years to make the engine more "flexible" through the rev range. What type of injector pump is fitted is it a vacume govened one (the throttle controll rod goes to the manifold) or a mechanical one (the throttle controll goes to the pump) itself. Both were fitted to the automotive engine so don't worry they can be fettled to give more speed. More important is if it is fitted with the "meadows automatic injection advance device" it's a fairly large unit in the driveline between the timing case and the injector pump. it has a flat plate on top held on with 4 bolts. post some pics and i'll try to muster some more oooomf for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 hi we are on holiday in angelsey at the moment but from what i can remember the throttle goes direct to the accelarator . i have just been through a lot of pages from nick, he sent me a link to his blog, on one of the pages there is a picture of a 4 cylinder meadows , that is a similar pump to mine except mine is a 6 cylinder pump. dont know if that helps any. I will post some pics when i get home . cheers shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrtcrowther Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Angelsea eh? i'm only in porthmadog you could pop round and have a chat if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 9, 2009 Author Share Posted August 9, 2009 have owned my explorer for about a year now i dont have much on its history or who put the meadows in the engines recently had new head gaskets fited . my engine has scammell meadows on the rocker covers so i belive it has allways bin in some typ of watford product more on off my explorer here http://www.hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?t=10485 where about are u from shawn ? nick hi Nick I have been and looked at the link you sent me.....all 40 pages took me hours & hours lol I found the pump pages interesting and the difference to my engine .i can see all the conversion differences like air filters mine are connected to the air boxes,also the water pump modification, it is a petrol water pump they have used, that allows the fan to sit in the correct place. I did my conversion several years ago about 7/8 so the mrs tells me. i have had explorer's for the last 20 years but not sure how long ive had this one, will check when im home , i bought this one from the griffin trust, via a friend ....im in macclesfield in cheshire by the way. cheers shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gritineye Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 on one of the pages there is a picture of a 4 cylinder meadows , that is a similar pump to mine except mine is a 6 cylinder pump. dont know if that helps any. There ya go..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 hi Nick i bought this one from the griffin trust, via a friend ....im in macclesfield in cheshire by the way. cheers shawn Hi Shawn, just realised who you are - you own the 30 ton Constructor and have a commercial repair facility at Macclesfield. We did some sort of deal on ebay if I remember correctly??? Some years ago Alan Walker and I spent a day at the Griffin Trust getting the petrol engine in the Explorer running; it was actually siezed when we got there but responded to some TLC, a generous shot of diesel down each bore, a new float and a set of plugs. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Hi Shawn, just realised who you are - you own the 30 ton Constructor and have a commercial repair facility at Macclesfield. We did some sort of deal on ebay if I remember correctly??? Some years ago Alan Walker and I spent a day at the Griffin Trust getting the petrol engine in the Explorer running; it was actually siezed when we got there but responded to some TLC, a generous shot of diesel down each bore, a new float and a set of plugs. Mike hi mike yes i remember some kind of deal on ebay, was it a manual that you copied ? my original question still stands !!!! have you got a S26 ?? does my memeory serve me right have you got/had a crusader ? did you connect me via the griffin trust scammell.( the bloody gear box nearly killed me on that, the bearings were siezed)then put a meadows into it , but due to illness i havnt played for a number of years .Im just trying to sort myself out to start playing again . cheers shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 hi everyone im in angelsey and just had a message where the scammell on angelsey may be, but we dont know exactley where it is ??? " There is an RAF Constructor at a farm on the southeast corner of Anglessey - farmer's name is Jones but I cannot remember the name of the farm, it is right on the beach only 1/2 mile or so from the s.e. coastal point. It is the ex TRS unit from Porth, steel body cut at back to accomodate ex Explorer wooden lockers." can anyone help any further ? we are leaving on saturday this week and hope to try and find it , we drove around angelsey last friday looking for the bloody thing !!!!!!!!!!!!! cheers shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 10, 2009 Author Share Posted August 10, 2009 Angelsea eh? i'm only in porthmadog you could pop round and have a chat if you want. yes would love to, ive asked my other half's permission lol hope you dont mind it could be a bit of a family thing( 2 boys), we got friends that have just arrived on a camp site in porthmadog and will visit them as well. drop me a private message with address and post code, we got the satnav with us , and let us know what part of the day is best , i presume you work .. cheers shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 OK, found address and phone number. Will pm you now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiomike7 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 hi mike yes i remember some kind of deal on ebay, was it a manual that you copied ? my original question still stands !!!! have you got a S26 ?? does my memeory serve me right have you got/had a crusader ? did you connect me via the griffin trust scammell.( the bloody gear box nearly killed me on that, the bearings were siezed)then put a meadows into it , but due to illness i havnt played for a number of years .Im just trying to sort myself out to start playing again . cheers shawn Yes, I have an ex RAF S26 which is a dual purpose ballast/5th wheel tractor which was used for towing radar trailers. I wanted to convert it to a civilian tractor but am now in 2 minds; it looks horrible in green and I may even sell it to buy something different. I tried to buy the Crusader on post 8 & 12 of the Crusader section on two occasions but failed. We never drove the Explorer at the Griffin Trust so had no idea about the state of the transmission. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 Angelsea eh? i'm only in porthmadog you could pop round and have a chat if you want. thank you for letting me come and see your scammell today. I will check my fuel pump when I get home, it was extremely interesting seeing the difference between your pump and my pump. It seems like a better idea the system which is on your Scammell I wish mine was just as easy. Anyway we will get to the bottom of this I'm sure thank you for your help today. Once again thanks very much shawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 11, 2009 Author Share Posted August 11, 2009 OK, found address and phone number. Will pm you now. thank you for the address of the Anglesey Scammell we will try to find it tomorrow. I am just hoping the other half allows me to do this tomorrow, she's already seen one Scammell today so I will keep you posted thanks shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrtcrowther Posted August 12, 2009 Share Posted August 12, 2009 no problem. If you have any other qusetions drop me a line and feel free to pop in when ever you are passing. drop me a line before to make sure i;m here when you come by:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 hi to everyone, i am back from angelsey and have taken some photos of my scammell explorer and her conversion for anyone that is interested.. pic 1 my explorer pic 2 & 3 fuel pump pic 4 conversion pipe pic 5 brass plate on side of pump shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) thats a nice looking engine shawn. there are some parts of the pump wich look the same as mine i think just the governor on the end is different . just got home after spending all day cleaning mine .:-D nick Edited August 15, 2009 by younggun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 Hi Nickthought you might like that , I know a little more about your scammell your conversion was gone before mine I remember it now. Spoke to the bloke who did it a couple of times if I remember right it then went into museum he got something else not sure what, he had problems with his pomp. I think that my friend John helped him with the pump problem. Speak to you soons shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
younggun Posted August 15, 2009 Share Posted August 15, 2009 (edited) :-D Hi Nickthought you might like that , I know a little more about your scammell your conversion was gone before mine I remember it now. Spoke to the bloke who did it a couple of times if I remember right it then went into museum he got something else not sure what, he had problems with his pomp. I think that my friend John helped him with the pump problem. Speak to you soons shawn i know very little about my scammells past so anything u know about mine please tell :-D goin out for a noisy drive in the country tommorow just for the hell of it :-D Edited July 24, 2011 by younggun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted August 15, 2009 Author Share Posted August 15, 2009 Hi Nickit is a little difficult for me to send e-mails I have specialise software which enables me to send e-mails and other software which enables me to read so that's why I don't do many e-mails . I will talk to you on the phone, we'll send you a private e-mail with my telephone number on.shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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