Mark Ellis

2 hours ago, fv1609 said:

Not exactly a small book Mark, it 2 inches thick. It is not  an instruction or handbook, it is just a VAOS. See what you think of the quality.

It's probably better than the versions I have. The 1962 one has lost all the detail on things, like threads etc.

1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

Regarding No.1, I have no written instructions. What I do have is 8 pages of illustrations with part numbers of the burner & the tools.

This is in 1946 VAOS Sect J2  WO Code No.1569  26/Publications/5984

This is the 1945 copy

And the 1962 copy. You can probably tell from the quality as to who was selling this one

Are the images in your small book better than this, please, Clive?

40 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

This copy that is going around, is it a copy of this https://www.greenmachinesurplus.com/portable-cookersnos12-and-3operation-maintenance-and-illustrated-parts-list-3182-p.asp which itself is a copy of what appears to be an earlier copy?

 

I don't have a front cover, but I guess it is - but from a different suspect manual supplier.
There is also a 1945 version.

14 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

Mods for COOKERS, PORTABLE No. 2, Mk. 2 and No. 3, Mk. 3 are covered in EMER ENGINEERING & MISCELLANEOUS D 307

All items are NATO codified so if what you have is from an EMER it suggests it is quite old as items are coded as VAOS Section J.

I have a 1946 edition of J1 so they have been around for a while. It is illustrated but strangely identifies the various items by name & gives no mention of the VAOS part number, which seems a bit silly.

Sorry, Clive
Do you have an earlier version of this document?
If so, what are the instructions for Stripping, cleaning and re-assembly of the No. 1? Thanks

14 minutes ago, Rangie said:

Its War Office Publication J2-JB 10912 (1962) 👍

Alec.

Alec, would you happen to have a better page 12 please?

22 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

Mark what is the designation of the document ie EMER, WO/Army Code No.?

Hi Clive,

This doesn't have a front cover, and no document number on the pages either.

It's for 

COOKERS, PORTABLE No. 1, BURNER UNIT S.B. TYPE "F"

COOKERS, PORTABLE No. 2, Mk. 2 and No. 3, Mk. 3

I don't know what AESPs are listed for all the cookers.

I have parts of 
7360-J-100-XXX for the No. 4 Mk 2

7360-G-100-XXX for the No. 5

7310-B-100=XXX for the No. 12

And still no idea what No. 8 to 11 are, if they ever existed

Wondering if anyone has a better page 12 of the No. 1 burner manual, please.

The copy I have was scanned badly, and the page is creased. Have issues with points 4 (a) and (b)

Thanks

12 minutes ago, Rangie said:

WOW. How does that work, wood burner?

1 hour ago, Surveyor said:

Looks good

Thank you

Following conversations on https://classiccampstoves.com/, I retyped the Hurlock WW1 stove instructions and container label, and put this together - with a 2023 update as they'll leak.

It's suggested that they were CES to vehicles rather than personal stoves. Does anyone have any record of them being issued with the WW1 or 1920's vehicles?

8 minutes ago, Surveyor said:

Taken from my  manual

 

Isn't that the No. 4 Mark 2?

The Honourable Artillery Company had shiny Lightweights for towing the guns.

But with the Army, sometimes it's a question of what RAOC had rather than what you expected. We were issued a Right hand drive Series 3 Land Rover in Germany, to replace a dead 2A Left hand drive

32 minutes ago, Rangie said:

The 2 and 3s were made by a couple of different manufacturers to the same basic spec.

The 4 Mk1 Portables were sometimes known as Triplex (one of the suppliers, or the one that submitted the first basic design).

The 4 Mk2 would have been an assemblage of components. One company to make the trailer (Arrow, Sankey, possibly Brockhouse, GKN, Universal Engineering, etc etc), one to supply the burners/petrol equipment/Latterly the LPG Equipment. The CES will help to identify what was what, and then further dissect via suppliers list/NSN number as far as you can go. But they would have been supplied by a manufacturer/supplier under a specific contract code (The trailers were their own B Vehicle).

Alec

 

Was the No. 4 Mk 1 a trailer as well then? I thought it was a stand alone stove for some reason.

So, like the Alvis Salamander only being the chassis of the Foam crash tender, and the Dingo actually being an Alvis scout car that lost out to a BSA scout car during trials - with the BSA becoming the Daimler Dingo
This being the Alvis Dingo

3 minutes ago, Surveyor said:

The classic stoves forum may help

Classic Camp Stoves

I have rummaged around on CCS, where I found the above - which is from Australia or New Zealand and is possibly American in manufacture.

Is the No 4 the same make as the 2 and 3?

45 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

"Which body would they go through to get trialled and approved?"

Defence Clothing & Textile Agency Bicester

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14581

Many thanks, Clive @fv1609

@wally dugan how do things like stoves get accepted into the military? Which body would they go through to get trialled and approved? Or would have gone through in the 80s and 90s?

Many thanks

Every time that I search for a suppliers list from an NSN, Google shows me this.

Never found the list

57 minutes ago, Rangie said:

No.7 is a hybrid. From memory an Optimus 80 with a 123R burner but I cant quite recall. There are a few topics on it and lots of examples in the galleries over on CCS Forum 

Theres no makers names on my No.6s, I believe they were a fairly small batch produced for evaluation purposes, but look at the supplier's lists for NSN 7910-99-138-3660, to see if that produces any more info. One of my containers is stamped J&F P /I\ 85, that rings a bell as something like Jones & Fellowes who produced all kinds of deep-drawn steel and aluminium items/cookwear. Again a few topics were posted on CCS, including a post about one chap who had them with him on an expedition on trial.

Alec.

I have spent a number of hours reading the CCS website.
There seems to be a couple of versions of the No. 6.
I'd been presuming that J&F P was a company called P, with the brothers or partners initials being J and F - but the P might be Produced as in Produced in 85 I guess.

Even the Number 7 seems to have versions of it. But there's also a lot who have made stoves up to fit the Number 7 box - which makes it a minefield.

I read the posts about the expedition with interest, with stoves being unsoldered - or becoming unsoldered in use.

And I'm still intrigued as to why the gap between 7 and 12

And just found this about the company James Fellows. I'll follow up on that

https://www.fellowsltd.co.uk/company1/history/ 

Is this a British Number 4 Mk 1 burner? It might be American

Am I right in thinking that No. 7 is actually an Optimus 80 in a stronger box?

No. 7 - Optimus 80 - 1971

What make is the No. 6?

Thanks

2 hours ago, rdx10 said:

If I remember rightly there are a number of such manuals available on the Governments FOI   ( Freedom of Information ) web site , in any case if you type in to Google  '  FOI army stove  ' you'll turn up as one of the first results someone elses FOI request for the Mk12 stove  ( and Mk2 and Mk3 which you apparently have ) . Others may be available but i'll leave you to find them yourself.

There are a whole load of free , and legitimate, resources out there which anyone can find by creative use of the various search engines.

As an aside if  at a later date you want manuals for US field stoves I always found a good source of manuals to be the internet archive which you can find via Google , I also think there used to be British manuals on there but they tended to be older rather than the more modern manuals you get from the FOI web site. 

As it's a quiet night I checked and you'll find at least  ' TM 8-615 Gasoline Stoves and Burners ' from 1944 on there plus ' M 10-405 The Army Cook ' from 1942 on there which kind of seemed relevant but may not be ( it's  info on field cooking ).

@rdx10 I should mention - I only started this as I wondered what No. 8 to No. 11 are. But I'm now thinking the gap is perhaps to show the Modern compared to WW2 kit

I found the No 4, 5 and 12 FOIs late last night. I can't unlock the No 12 until tomorrow morning, to extract the 532 section. 

The 2 and 3 in the head post is just the typed up instructions off the no 2 cooker.

I'll have a look at archive and see if US had No 1, 2 and 3 instructions.

I'm presuming that 8 to 11 don't actually exist. Surprised that I can't find 6 and 7 manuals so far, but the night is still young.

If anyone has any manuals for the British military stoves and cookers, and would be kind enough to share them, please give me a shout. Thanks

I have these - click the green text to view the file without download.

This VAOS is like a parts and C.E.S. price list form No. 1 to No. 3 

1939 Vocabulary of Army Ordnance Stores - Section J2 - Portable Cookers and Cooking Equipment.

Rough guide to British Military stoves - a work in progress

No. 1 Burner - basic instructions

No 1 Burner.pdf

The Nos. 1, 2 and 3 Operation, Maintenance and Parts list manual - which I've retyped to make it easier to read is at

Nos. 1, 2 and 3 Operation and Maintenance

No. 2 Portable stove service card

No 2 Portable stove.pdf

No. 2 and 3 Stoves - Instructions off No. 2 lid

No 2 and 3 stoves.pdf

No. 4 Mark 2 cooker trailer AESP 7360-J-100-

No 4 Mark 2 cooker trailer 7360-J-100-S-W.pdf

No. 5 Cookset Mk 5 AESP 7360-G-100-

No 5 Cookset Mk5 document 7360-G-100-S-W.pdf

No. 6 stove label

No. 7 stove label

No 12 Multiple fuel burner stove AESP 7310-B-100-

No 12 Multi fuel stove 7310-B-100-S-W.pdf

So this Number 4 "cookset" is different to Number 4 stove Mk 1?

6 minutes ago, Surveyor said:

 

Just one thing there are 2 versions of the number 2, No2 Modified is in the picture, No2 is petrol

As an enthusiast, your document is probably far better, @Surveyor.

I just wondered why the gaps in the numbers

I've thrown this document together, as a starting point.

British Military stoves

Does anyone know what Number 4, 8, 9, 10, or 11 looked like, please?

And does anyone have any documents on any of the files, please?

Many thanks