Mark Ellis

35 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

 l just found the vehicle lists for the  1956 and 1962  FVRDE  EXHIBITIONS as you know the picture in both of the fv651 [ A ] is the same  but you may not be aware of its number the salamander was 03 AG 46. As l said a number of stalwarts went to MVEE with only the wing number one that was sent to R A E BEDFORD  from there had wing number 6219  it appears in the ledger at FVRDE without a registration.        As to your PM the video in all is over fifty minutes long and covers the factory floor showing SALADINS been made as well as Salamander  been trailed stalwarts cross  Country as well  in the sea all so the early stalwart prototypes it was transferred from 16mm to vhs  and with the original 16 mm is in storage because of the need to be preserved two part sections were copied   one for dave jenner a

 

Many thanks for the info, @wally dugan

I'll have a chat with Dave

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

HALF way through found half a dozen sent to MVEEE that have a wing number but no registration and none match your list for Stalwarts . Here are  few more 91 ET 68  /8489 88 ET 72 /7756 07 EK 58 /7311 08 ER 34 /7446 15 BT 08 /6308 These are Salamanders 23 AG 84 /5622 26 AG 66 /6622 HAVING break now will look through the remaining ledger pages in the next few days

Many thanks for that, @wally dugan It's most kind of you.

I've added them all to the list. Have a nice break.

I need to get a contact to take look at this photo. I'm not sure if that's a registration number on the back left side, or something else

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

2720RW IS PV2 PV3/6447 ALV 2/6308 RGX875/4991 RGX 791/5388 23 AG 67/5997 26 AG 64/6622 03 AG 46/6782 24 EK 68 /7251 24 EK 46 /7241  24 EK 69/ 7242 24 EK 51/ 7248   24 EK 72 /7252 24 EK 43/ 7253 09 ER 65/8352  STAL 56/7030 17 ET 09 /8353 16 ET /7815 l have only gone through 20 pages up till now

Well that's added some information, @wally dugan

Thanks for that.

Do they give a description in the book of what the trial was for?

Stalwart wing numbers.xlsx

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

one thing l seem to remember FVRDE trade plates used TP no DU 

I'm guessing that Alvis had a number of trade plates. Just looked, and DU was Coventry, so they're on Alvis' own trade plates

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

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 PV 10 WAS THE COACHMAN

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Does "THE COACHMAN" mean a model name, as in FV622 The Coachman - as in it was fitted with a canopy from factory. It's the only in service Stalwart that had a canopy - if you ignore all the REME 624s that had been modified in the field.

Thanks for this, Wally. Hope the eye flushes out ok, one of my pet hates is grit in the eye.

I thought 22AG54 might be in there as a trial vehicle.

I also forgot 03EM79, which is mentioned in trial reports. Trial Report 101620 Jan-June 1964 (Mk1 Stalwart 03EM79)

Many thanks

On 6/21/2015 at 9:39 PM, Niels v said:

Here is where it is going http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?49794-Hello&highlight=Juggernaut

Your post seems to bring people back to the same thread

6 hours ago, wally dugan said:

Mark this how it works if a prototype vehicle went under tests it would have one of the following or even two a P prefix a SP NUMBER a service number a civilian number and or ESTABLISHMENT number any of these with this l can start also vehicles  tested at CHRISTCHURCH some times went with none of these only to receive its' identity on return to FVRDE . There are hundreds of items listed in the ledgers in no order or type and in some case's not in date order

Sorry for the late reply, @wally dugan

I get that if vehicles are submitted for trials under a requested Specification, then they get a trial wing number and are "Trialled to death".

But what happens when a known person or company says "Take a look at this for the day, and tell us what you think?" According to Alvis's Salamander brochure, the 6x6 fire truck was a private venture, the same as the Stalwart was.

I've only ever seen the one Salamander with what I think is a Miles body, and wonder if Alvis waved it under FVRDE's nose. There must have been something for it to get the FV6001 number, and go into the catalogue, I guess.

I don't have any Salamander wing numbers, but I have all these Stalwart "bits", which I've put on a spreadsheet. Excel sheet and PDF of the same as this image attached. Would be really appreciated if you had the time to take a look and fill in the blanks, please.

Many thanks

Stalwart wing numbers.xlsx Stalwart-Chassis-Number.pdf

54 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

In this case there is no starting point for me  to start looking

But then there's this - from 1962

Foamite Ltd., Victoria Road, Feltham, Middlesex, recently obtained the order to design and develop an entirely new light crash rescue truck for the Royal Air Force. The prototype passed all rough‐driving tests at Fighting Vehicles Research and Development Establishment and operational tests and a production contract was awarded by the Ministry of Aviation.

Citation

(1962), "Auxiliary Equipment", Aircraft Engineering and Aerospace Technology, Vol. 34 No. 1, pp. 29-29. https://doi.org/10.1108/eb033511

37 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

That looks like the TILT PLATFORM at MVEE CHRISTCHURCH there is no establishment number  to be seen so it would be hard to find any information

Thanks for that, Wally

As I understand it, Alvis got Coach builders Alfred Miles to put a basic body on the new Salamander chassis, and Pyrene to put some fire fighting gear in it, and showed it to FVRDE. Willie Dunn of course had a close relationship with FVRDE, having helped them with the 6x6 punt hull concept (Magazine article by his son confirms this. His son, Mike designed the Stalwart Mark 2).
FVRDE liked the concept, gave it the number FV6001 - and Alvis's Salamander chassis got the green light for fire engine manufacturers to put their bodies and fire gear on - to the RAF Mark 6 fire engine spec.

Is there absolutely any evidence of Foamite submitting their version to FVRDE? Foamite appear to have made 5 or 7 for South Africa, but the bulk of the Salamanders have Pyrene bodies on them.

2 hours ago, fv1609 said:

As time went on these catalogues became less frequent, I think I have them all. As far as Salamander goes:

1954 Nothing
1956 Two exhibits FV 651(A) complete vehicle & the chassis
1962 Runway Surface Friction Test Vehicle (no FV no.) & FV652
1966 You have this
1971 Nothing
1981 FV652

 

I think they were out of service with the RAF by 78. Interesting that they're in the 81 book

@fv1609, is there any listing in the FVRDE catalogues for FV651, as in without the A? Or even the FV653, which it's suggested is the Driver training vehicle. I'm presuming that you have a full set of catalogues from 54 to 66?

1 hour ago, SammyJo said:

Hi all

We have just bought a 1953 Austin K9 radio truck and wondered if there is a way to find out what it’s military registration number was?

It has an age related plate on but we would love to find out what the military reg was and if there is anyway of finding out any of its history?

 

Thanks in advance!

RLC Museum might be able to help

https://www.rlcarchive.org/VehicleSrch2 

4 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

 

Was there any other 22AG then?

Here's 22AG54, and in a film of it

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

I did not know you were interested in Alvis Stalwart driver training units  they are listed numbers 26 AG62 TO 26 AG 64

Thanks, @wally dugan

As well as being interested in everything Stalwart, I'm now interested in everything Salamander as well.

Happy to receive anything that you don't mind my sharing on the webpage 😁

Many thanks

15 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

Oh sorry didn't realise it was a deliberate snip.

This an interesting shot of 26 AG 63 I think.

Thanks, Clive.

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the RAF had 6 Driver trainer vehicles. No evidence yet though.

This is 26AG62, with another one along side. And an unknown one that looks very blue, with F8 on the side.

1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

A few missing from the list that I know of:
03 AG 84
03 AG 87
03 AG 98

Given the totals at the top & the two columns on the right being correct, it looks as the two columns on the left have got chopped off as they only show 12 per column.

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Sorry, Clive @fv1609. I didn't think anyone would want to see the full list of what @wally dugan kindly provided earlier.

My spreadsheet from Wally's details is here 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SgH7UUlmaE00xkIlbzG2bzPrJ1ZFyBNu7W1feypF1OU/edit?usp=sharing

If you have any more Salamander reg, or any army reg numbers - it would be appreciated .

I'm wondering if the B and D models were converted Mk 6 ?

1 hour ago, Mark Ellis said:

That's brilliant, @wally dugan. Thank you for that.
Hope you kept all the Fv600 stuff to one side 😁 

Apparently, the suggestion of 125 Salamander comes from a magazine, called Flight. I've emailed asking for a copy of the page, but do wonder how many the army or Royal Navy had. I've emailed the RN as well - but don't think I've ever seen a photo of a Navy one.

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

Yesterday l took some more documents in to storage with my others while there also to find another document for something l had answered on this forum while there l came across a list of  RAF SALAMANDER REGISTRATION NUMBERS  23 AG 56 TO 23 AG 95 03 AG 72 TO 03 AG 99 MK 6                            26 AG 65 TO 26 AG 73 MK 6C   03 AG 46 TO 03 AG 49 MK6A

That's brilliant, @wally dugan. Thank you for that.
Hope you kept all the Fv600 stuff to one side 😁 

Just been reading this article, where on page 70 he advised that Canada swapped the B81 for a V8
"later changed for a V8 Ford engine and Allison transmission"

http://www.lishfd.org/Information files/THE MALTESE CROSS_PDF.pdf

1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

Yes the chassis has its own two pages straight after the full bodied FV 651(A) pages.

Here is the FV 6001  entry for 1954.

Brilliant, thanks, Clive

So this is FV6001 then, and not Alvis' prototype crash tender

 @fv1609 Thanks for this, Clive. All adds to the history/development, which is where my own interest lies.

Is the basic chassis a separate entry? Alvis seeing what else it could be used for. Hadn't realise that FV651 was also a private venture, according to an Alvis brochure that I'm retyping.

28 minutes ago, fv1609 said:

That description in the 1966 catalogue originally appeared in the 1962 catalogue. There are a few more details of the differences of Mk in these pages from AP 278E Book 1.

Many thanks for the extract, Clive

1 hour ago, fv1609 said:

I've got some RAF pages that describe the differences between the Mks have you got that? If not I can scan them.

Some RAF types have offered up various things, and I've edited some pages that I found online

Does yours look anything like this
https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files/alvis-salamander-crash-tender?authuser=0#h.shg8vqdstfll