Mark Ellis

13 minutes ago, Rangie said:

Have a look over on the Classic Camp Stoves forum, there's lots of photos of various examples, including the less common nowadays Hurlocks, Towson & Coxsons and other ones.

For some the Nomenclature has changed, ie the No.4 was a solid fuel type, but the No.4 Mk2 was the trailer mounted type. They in turn went from being petrol fuelled to being LPG fuelled so there were lots of subtle tweaks over the years. The No.2 for another example went through 4 variants in two Mk's for added confusion 

Alec.

@Rangie WOW. Thanks. I hadn't realised that there was such a thing.

I'd wondered if anyone had put a PDF together of the different British military ones.

Site is here https://classiccampstoves.com/forums/military.202/

On 10/22/2018 at 7:36 PM, Hoseman said:

I’ve spoken to my mate who repairs and refurbs burners and stoves.

hes asked me to pass on his info if needed

Steve Darby

grizzly.darbs@btinternet.com

or message him on 07771521115

paul

 

Does Steve have a list and photos of all the Army burner types ?

@RAFMT That's brilliant. Thanks for uploading that.

Do you have any other Salamander books at all?

13 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

another RN ONE 40 RN 40/5485 FLEET AIR ARM  OI AY 51 TO 01 AY 53 MY MISTAKE  there are lot's of three ton 4x4 s fire tenders listed but l have no idea  if there DP 1's or what

I presume that all DP1s are marked up as Thornycroft DP1, @wally dugan

I was interested in the DP1 and DP2 because they supported the Foam crash tenders. The Salamander can empty the 700 gallon water tank in 1.8 minutes. The DP1 has a 700 gallon tank, and the DP2 has a 1000 gallon water tank - to support the foam crash tenders

3 hours ago, ted angus said:

The RN and Army had DP2s. The Army had 3  the RN was an unknown number as the records haven't been accessed  MIn of Supply had DP1s at Farnborough , Bedford Pershore etc.  27 AG 12 and 13 were also DP 3s.  You havent included the operational MK 6 proto 22AG54.    01AY51-54 are not DP 3  the were ex RN MK7 - 6x6 Nubians by Pyrene. 

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@ted angus, Thanks for the info.

Mk6 prototype is the first one on the Salamander reg sheet. I guess I should also add the FV6001 reg on that as well

How many DP1 did the MOS have? Did they have any DP2 or 3, please?
 

PD might also be a Thornycroft chassis thing. I found these PD in amongst a load of Thornycroft PE chassis

3 hours ago, wally dugan said:

MARK a question for you in amongst some files  there are listed THORNEYCROFT 4X4 fire tenders with the suffix PD not DP some have army registration numbers some sent to SUN ENGINEERING ?

I'll ask the RAF types about the PD. If it was on MERLIN then it would be easy to say typo, because MERLIN is full of those. Do you have FV or contract numbers of the vehicles?

Since I started looking at the Salamander, I'm amazed at just how many companies were making fire engines in the 50s and 60s. We always use the name of the chassis manufacturer, rather than the body builder of the fire engine - except for Dennis of course, who made both.

 
Sun Engineering is yet another body builder that made fire engines. This one being in Feltham, which is where Plymouth based Tecalemit group set up a Foamite factory, which is where the Salamander / Foamite crash tenders were made for South Africa.

I think there was another Sun Engineering in Coventry, but found this.

Wondering which other vehicles used this oil bath air filter, shown here on the Alvis Salamander.

If anyone has them, I'm ideally looking for the maintenance pages, and parts list pages for the air filter, please.

Many thanks

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

on the DP3 l can only add  afew  27 AG 14 to 27 AG 23  01 AY 51 to 01 AY 53 as to ones that may have been RN they used to reissue the registration numbers Any in the army service l have not looked

Many thanks, @wally dugan

MERLIN seems rather empty on the DP3, with no DP2 or 1 shown

1 hour ago, ted angus said:

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Both the Army and RN had there own DP 2s

Min Supply had there own DP 1s at Farnborough. Bedford. And other research establishments.

 

Thanks for that, @ted angus. Would you know the full production figures for DP1 and DP2 please.
I presume that Foamite made all the DP1 and Miles made all the DP2 - for Army and RAF.
Apparently, Miles sold out to Gloucester Aircraft in 1960, who sold Miles to Dennis at a later date.
Joined a couple of groups to try and find out any history on the Cheltenham factory. Early days.

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

numbers allocated to DP 1s 23 AG 96 to 25 AG 80 DP2 25 AG 86 to 26 AG 45

Thanks for that, @wally dugan, much appreciated.

If I've done that correctly, 185 DP1 and 60 DP2

@robin craig

Just seen your post on Mapleleafup about the G19

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showpost.php?p=259309&postcount=10

Did you ever manager to reconnect with the new owner? Some photos would be appreciated.

Thanks

Would anyone know roughly how many DP1 and DP2 were made, please?

Many thanks for clarifying that, @ted angus. Much appreciated 

50 minutes ago, ted angus said:

Known as the DP 2, same truck in both shots. The lower shot shows it equipped with a anti- fragmentation screen for use on missile sites such as Thor & Bloodhound. 

The trucks official title. "Truck Fire-Fighting 5 ton 6x6 Water Foam DP2"  Thornycroft Nubian chassis finished vehicle by MILES. 

I thought Foamite made all the DPs 

It's been suggested that MILES made the prototype Salamader for Pyrene. Would you have anything on that, please, @ted angus ?

11 hours ago, wally dugan said:

The early floatation trials with the prototype's took place in a flooded quarry the  sea trials took place  in the SOLENT this involved  getting in and out of a LST in what appears to be a rough  sea both empty and with a load once or twice while attempting to get up the ramp the swell sends broadside across it ' It is funny that what appears to be the stand by boat is a DUKW which manages to do the up and down the ramp with no problem

I think this is the LST trial. It's definitely PV2, shown by the lights. The outlets of the first Dowty units weren't very good. They pushed the water downwards when closing the outlet. They turned the outlets 90 degrees so they pushed the water out sidewards, which significantly improved the manoeuvrability. 

3 hours ago, wally dugan said:

Never been a fan of fire engines but first Thorneycroft DP 4X4 seem to appear it the late 1950s in the list of RAF FLEET numbers the 6x6  in 1960

Thanks, @wally dugan

5 hours ago, wally dugan said:

The early floatation trials with the prototype's took place in a flooded quarry the  sea trials took place  in the SOLENT this involved  getting in and out of a LST in what appears to be a rough  sea both empty and with a load once or twice while attempting to get up the ramp the swell sends broadside across it ' It is funny that what appears to be the stand by boat is a DUKW which manages to do the up and down the ramp with no problem

I have a letter from the Royal Marines to John Rue, where they make it clear that the DUCK was a better vehicle, and preferred by them. We'll ignore that the Stolly could carry twice as much, and far superior off road.

In what years did Foamite start making the Dual Purpose DP1 and DP2 for the RAF?

Video here of Foamite making the DP1 at their Plymouth factory.

Whilst we're all familiar with the Alvis Salamander / Pyrene Mk 6 of the RAF, Pyrene also offered the Mark 6 on the Thornycroft chassis

And we're all seen the Matchbox Alvis Salamander / Foamite crash tender, as Foamite supplied to South Africa. But they also offered the Mark 6 on the Thornycroft Nubian chassis

Would anyone have a better image of the Thornycroft / Foamite Mark 6, please

And would anyone have any of the Foamite DP sales brochures, please?

You have to go in some 14 minutes, but this video shows the Alvis Salamander / Foamite Crash tender, with it's front opening doors.

I have a webpage on the Salamanders here

https://sites.google.com/view/alvis-stalwart-hmlc-files/alvis-salamander-crash-tender

Still a classified topic, but here's a set of IR lens for the FVs. The IR headlight's glass is flat to allow for these to fit over

5 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

l thought you may like to see a picture of one of the Stalwarts on your list while taking part in the cross country trials at FVRDE you can make out it's wing number

 

Oh WOW. It's got twin headlights @wally dugan Thanks for that

Do they ever say what the trials were for, without reading the actual document?

35 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

 l just found the vehicle lists for the  1956 and 1962  FVRDE  EXHIBITIONS as you know the picture in both of the fv651 [ A ] is the same  but you may not be aware of its number the salamander was 03 AG 46. As l said a number of stalwarts went to MVEE with only the wing number one that was sent to R A E BEDFORD  from there had wing number 6219  it appears in the ledger at FVRDE without a registration.        As to your PM the video in all is over fifty minutes long and covers the factory floor showing SALADINS been made as well as Salamander  been trailed stalwarts cross  Country as well  in the sea all so the early stalwart prototypes it was transferred from 16mm to vhs  and with the original 16 mm is in storage because of the need to be preserved two part sections were copied   one for dave jenner a

 

Many thanks for the info, @wally dugan

I'll have a chat with Dave

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

HALF way through found half a dozen sent to MVEEE that have a wing number but no registration and none match your list for Stalwarts . Here are  few more 91 ET 68  /8489 88 ET 72 /7756 07 EK 58 /7311 08 ER 34 /7446 15 BT 08 /6308 These are Salamanders 23 AG 84 /5622 26 AG 66 /6622 HAVING break now will look through the remaining ledger pages in the next few days

Many thanks for that, @wally dugan It's most kind of you.

I've added them all to the list. Have a nice break.

I need to get a contact to take look at this photo. I'm not sure if that's a registration number on the back left side, or something else

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

2720RW IS PV2 PV3/6447 ALV 2/6308 RGX875/4991 RGX 791/5388 23 AG 67/5997 26 AG 64/6622 03 AG 46/6782 24 EK 68 /7251 24 EK 46 /7241  24 EK 69/ 7242 24 EK 51/ 7248   24 EK 72 /7252 24 EK 43/ 7253 09 ER 65/8352  STAL 56/7030 17 ET 09 /8353 16 ET /7815 l have only gone through 20 pages up till now

Well that's added some information, @wally dugan

Thanks for that.

Do they give a description in the book of what the trial was for?

Stalwart wing numbers.xlsx