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Gents its all here as clear as mud !! TED http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/index.htm

Gents the towing rules since 1 jan 97 apply to caravans just as they do to any other trailer : basically a Cat B obtained since 1 jan 97 only allows towing up to 750kg with the combination exceptions below. Artist Rifles for your como I agree with your thinking and I also reckon you need a C1 +E because of your van's MAM. TED Towing trailers or caravans with vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes In this article reference is made to the maximum authorised mass (MAM) of vehicles and trailers. This should be taken to mean the permissible maximum weight, also known as the gross vehicle weight. Category B: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM and with up to eight passenger seats Category B vehicles may be coupled with a trailer up to 750kgs MAM (allowing a combined weight up to 4.25 tonnes MAM) or a trailer over 750kgs MAM provided the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle, and the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes MAM. For example: · a vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.25 tonnes could be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is because the MAM of the combination does not exceed 3.5 tonnes and also the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle Whereas · the same vehicle with an unladen weight of 1.25 tonnes and a MAM of 2 tonnes when coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 1.5 tonnes would fall within category B+E. This is because although the combined weight of the vehicle and trailer is within the 3.5 tonnes MAM limit, the MAM of the trailer is more than the unladen weight of the drawing vehicle · Vehicle manufacturers normally recommend a maximum weight of trailer appropriate to their vehicle. Details can usually be found in the vehicle's handbook or obtained from car dealerships. The size of the trailer recommended for an average family car with an unladen weight of around 1 tonne would be well within the new category B threshold. Towing caravans As for towing caravans, existing general guidance recommends that the laden weight of the caravan does not exceed 85% of the unladen weight of the car. In the majority of cases, caravans and small trailers towed by cars should be within the new category B threshold. An exemption from the driver licensing trailer limit allows a category B licence holder to tow a broken down vehicle from a position where it would otherwise cause danger or obstruction to other road users. By passing a category B test national categories F (tractor), K (pedestrian controlled vehicle) and P (moped) continue to be added automatically. Category B+E: Vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM towing trailers over 750kgs MAM Category B+E allows vehicles up to 3.5 tonnes MAM to be combined with trailers in excess of 750kgs MAM. In order to gain this entitlement new category B licence holders have to pass a further practical test for category B+E. There is no category B+E theory test. For driver licensing purposes there are no vehicle/trailer weight ratio limits for category B+E. In this section... · Car and trailer practical driving test · Driving Standards Agency (DSA) commercial services · Minimum test vehicle requirements for buses and lorries · The driving licence you need to tow a caravan or trailer · The practical driving test for buses and lorries · Towing a trailer with a passenger carrying vehicle · Towing trailers with medium sized vehicles between 3.5 and 7.5 tonnes

here is chapter and verse. your C1 +E is a vehicle of 3500 to 7500 plus a trailer that gives a MAM not exceeding 12000 kg here is chapter and verse Medium sized vehicles with or without trailers Description Category Minimum age Vehicles between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer up to 750kg C1 18* Combinations of vehicles where the towing vehicle is in subcategory C1 and its trailer has a MAM of over 750kg provided that the MAM of the combination thus formed does not exceed 12000kg and the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen mass of the towing vehicle. (If you passed your category B test prior to 1.1.1997 you will be restricted to a total weight not more than 8250kg) C1+E 21* *Age 18 if combination weight is under 7500kg Large vehicles with or without trailers Description Category Minimum age Vehicles over 3500kg with a trailer up to 750kg C 21* Vehicles over 3500kg with a trailer over 750kg C+E 21* *Age 17 if member of armed forces *Age 18 if member of the young drivers scheme So from 3500 up to 7500 you need a C1 to tow a trailer with it over 750Kg you need C1 +E To drive above 3500 without a upper limit you need a C to tow a trailer over 750 you need C + E TED

Fantastic news!! we fail to rid our country of iilegal scum but for some reason pick on those who have earned the right to be here. For once common sense has prevailed;

An apology I was digging into the web last night looking for stuff on fire serves in Cyprus. The title Cypriot National Guard was indeed the official title BUT it was a Greek Cypriot organisation; hence we always refered to it as the Greek Cypriot National Guard, The turkish equvalent was called the Turkish Cypriot Home Guard. TED

look like bofors L40/70

Hi Richard I was hoping it was an ML . Its a pretty early war picture. The trailer pump is a Dennis. On the outbreak of war like their civillian counterparts, the Army pressed into service all manner of vehicle to tow each units allocation of trailer pumps. You will note the pump appears to be grey. All pumps of this nature for the Armed forces and other HMG ministries and Dept were tagged onto the Home Office orders for the civillian Emergenct Fire Organisation, procurement was through the Office(later Min) of Works. no matter who was to be the recipient they were delivered in Dk Ad grey tint 32 and bore a HO serial which had to be quoted on all spares request. From the piccy it looks like L16---- would it have been impressed ?? TED ps it was me that gave it the title towing vehicle it came to me uncaptioned

Possibly Les or another member could I.D. this one for me please ?? THe TV in my caption is just my filing title TV =towing vehicle TED

I was at Akrotiri from 70 to 74, we lived in Limassol in the Greek community. Firstly there was no such thing as a Cypriot national guard. The Island had a Greek Cypriot National Guard . It was a conscripted force under the leadership and influence of regular army officers from the mainland Greek Army. I recall they had some patrol boats. But never heard of them having special forces or partas in the time I was there. There was a Greek National guard camp just up the road from us. The dress was a battledress in virtually the same style and colour to the British army battledress. They all wore gaiters and webbing belt light khaki in colour. In the sumer they wore long sleeved stone coloured (KD) shirts and trousers with the belt and gaiters Boots appeared to be black ammo boots but I think some wore brown. Beret was the standard head dress I recall various colours. Try doing Googles for the July 74 civil war you should find some certainly the BBC & ITN will have newreel footage. I never saw any Greek national guard wearing combat jackets during 70 to 74. regards TED

Mike, between june & sept 1939 as that was the only production period for the MSC, as THE MS & ML were then put on hold until after hostilities, Vauxhall delivered them as a chassis cab to Spurlings . As the vehicle is deviod number plates I would suggest a pre delivery photo either by Vauxhall or Spurling or one taken by the RAF prior to registration for the records. And it would have been RAF Blue /Grey. The photo appears in several books the reproduction in Bart's Kalidoscope is by far the best. Unfortunately none give a credit for the source of the photo. TED

No GGs in the NGY reg block early ones were NYV and NYR The plate can be removed/transferred from any fire engine as long as you get it through a test. Fire Engine isn't one of the actual specified types that cannot be transferred its just people shy away as many older ones would require a fortune to get thru a test. There was lots of shock and horror when Withams started reregistering GGs and started selling the plates but the solution was easy just get a test. NGY was a real mixed bag 628 was a Landie with Min of Works, 636 a Scammel tractor at MEXE Christchurch but alas I don't have 631.

Mark I too would dispute the date but with caution. 31 Defiants were allocated to 277 sqn in April 1942 for Air Sea Rescue spotting duties, A picture in Aeroplane shows such an example with 277 and its in daylight camo. However I am about to put 2 and 2 together and make 6. RAF Old Sarum was in Army Co operation Command, it was a major trials unit and was involved in cam trials along with the boffins from Farnborough. Also in Aeroplane is a Defiant in Daylight cam with 2 sqn undertaking trials at Old Sarum. In the background is an ambulance (Albion) it too is camouflage. the tones are very very similar to the Bedford we are discussing. RAF in white is still clear on the door. against the Defiant the Bedford's dark tone looks very similar the lighter tone is very light ;; This is a unit where I believe cam colours would have been more obtainable due to the nature of the Station's duties so---My guess is the vehicle has been given a quick dust over with aircraft colours Dk Green and wait for it Light Earth ! Thoughts gents please Finally the 2 types of film for black & white print use were ORTHOCHROMATIC & PANCHROMATIC the resulting tones were totally different. With one red comes out nearly white !! TED ps I cannot find a date for the 2sqn trials but its no later than mid 42 as AC command wound up.

Found a reference today in one of Bart's publication that these subsequently had the original tyres replaced by 10.50 x 16

EAU DE NIL is BS 381c tint 216 it is a BS current colour any paint dealers claiming he can do BS 381c colours can do this. In addition to the inside of cabs and pasenger vehicles other than cars it was the required colour for inside lockers eg on fire trucks. Sky blue is BS 381c tint 101 thats the colour used on MoD reconditioned engines, Cannot help with Cat yellow but the yellow on the upper surfaces of RAF vehicles is BS 381c tint 356 Golden Yellow. good luck ps our local big B & Q has a sign saying we can mix and BS or RAL (German standard ) colour can they hell !! regards TED

I would consider something on here once I had the other authoritive documents. I have copies of all or most of the Army instructions and MTPs from which the A.M.orders were derived. Must get onto Hendon. In the meantime if anyone has WW2 RAF vehicle pictures I would be most grateful to see them please. The picture of the crane doing the engine change I posted earlier in the thread is the best example I have seen to date of Khaki Green number 3 (Cam Green No 3 as the RAF called it) and Tarmac green No 4, In the film most other vehicles appear in the single Brown SCC2 . Mind with yellow topped tractors running around with trains of bomb trollies and an all yellow Morris Lt Recce car minus its turret towing the chequered ATC caravan, it made camoflague a bit unimportant, Flight Safety was the order of the day even in the winter of 43./ 44. In the attached the Morris Commercial is being used by the radio section to deliver black boxes GEE OBOE etc. to each aircraft. The Crane is undertaking a turret change from different angles in the film it could be green or it could be Brown SCC2 ??//////////////////????????????????????????// TED

Tony, thanks for sharing this: a slight typo on your heading. the AMO is dated 31 12 42 not 43. New Scheme: paint camouflage brown special No 2 is the RAF nomenclature for SCC 2. THe two paints (one for metal/wood the other for canvas) for the disruptive pattern are SCC 1A Old Scheme: paint Camouflague green No 3 called Khaki Green No 3 by the army Tarmac green No 4 which was actually a very very dark grey green was the same name as the army used. Until we went soley to using NATO stock numbers in the RAF we would use identical paint to the army but give it a slightly different title and of course our own 33A stock reference. Once again this is a good example of the RAF being months behind the drag curve The Army order promulgating this change of schemes was dated 30 May 1942. (ACI 1160), Tony do you have copies of AMO A820/42, A617 /41 or A618/41, A617 introduced the roundel and command letters, A618 introduced Khaki Green No 3 and Tarmac Green No 4 as the standard RAF colour in August 1941. I may contact Hendon to see if I can get them. Thanks again for sharing, I hear your magnificent WOT1 is at Manston ?? regards TED

April 1946 the RAF reverted to RAF blue/grey big sigh of relief !! All the RAF vehicles in the june 1946 victory parade were in RAF Blue grey with black wings. however in 1954 another change came along vehicles in north West Europe (2TAF area )went to GLOSS Deep Bronze green about 5 years later back to Raf blue /grey. then in 1974 both UK & north west Europe changed to the dreaded Matt IRR green . Currently its gloss green to BS 381c tint 641. Richard I dread to think how many phone calls I made especially once I got my feet in the door at certain places as to where the pre 1949 registration records were . The reply was always if you find out please let us know! Regarding contracts again can't help, my research has mainly been focussed towards model making, markings, colours, who used what and why . regards TED

I am inclined to say most 2TAF vehicles were in SCC 2 when they embarked. units earmarked for 2TAF commenced training for their mobile/tactical role mid 1943. At this time they received their establishment of MT. Bear in mind prior to this the average Sqn had very few vehicles of its own as they were static. Once declared a 2TAF assett everything including ammo, bombs, rockets, canned fuel, food, water spares , tools , tentage , tent furniture, cooking gear, even several trucks carrying straw for the palliasse ! had to be moveable using the sqns own MT. So following the time line ; on formation of the groups etc for 2TAF and their nominated sqns etc becoming tactical, vehicles were coming off the production line in SCC 2 ( you are no doubt aware it officially didn't have a name- but was a dark brown not too dissimilar to OD and is commonly but incorrectly called Dark Earth-yet is very different from the Dark Earth on RAF aircraft). The ACI/AMO promulgating the intro of OD was not until April 1944 with the paint being avalible on a "repaint only as necesary allocation" from May. So it is highly unlikely many of the vehicles allocated in mid 43 would or even could, have been repainted into OD by D Day. ACI 553 prohibited units whose vehicles were SCC2 from drawing OD paint. The attached photo of the QLs with an Austin K6 in the background was taken mid 1943 , it is 401 Sqn doing a tactical move to a new base. The QLs appear to be a single colour but have Mickey Mouse ear tilts !! The second picture is 146 Wing on the move in France not too long after D Day - again it appears a single colour but again 2 colours on the tilts; This shot is a good illustration of the large roundel you mention. For the first 6 years of my service many of my SNCOs and WO s had served through at least part of WW2 (one chap spent the war in Changi prison !) I was always pumping them for info as I was making models of RAF vehicles then. Mike Starmer has done some outstanding research, from his conclusions, White Ensign Models have produced khaki Green No 3 and comparing a sample of this with the photo I previously posted of the Thornycroft Amazon crane in Khaki Green no 3; is testiment to the accuracy of his research. Much has been published about RAF vehicle colours, but as time passes it is most apparent that much of the information in many publications is nothing more than badly researched assumptions. Hopefully through sharing info on forums such as this we can get much nearer the truth. Although now out of the question I would love a week at Hendon museum solely researching markings and colours. Regards TED

RAF Blue /Grey BS 381c tint 33 (later renumbered tint633) was still the official colour as we went to war in sept 1939. Units moving to France and those in the South East of England were instructed to undertake tone-down and to this end camoflague paints from the range being used to cam buildings were employed as were colours from the aircraft paint range. Air Ministry order A.618 dated 7 aug 1941 brought the RAF into line with the Army as regards types of paint and shades to be used from that date until the end of hostilities. There is photographic evidence that new vehicles delivered before this date were actually delivered in the colour(s) current to the Army. In April 1946 the RAF reverted to RAF Blue /Grey semi gloss with black wings and wheel rims. In 1948 this was amended to all over RAF Blue/Grey. Later in 1954 Lt Stone was introduced in the near & middle East, whilst vehicles in North West Europe were to be finished in Deep Bronze Green Gloss to BS 381c tint 224 which was the post WW2 colour of the British Army. I have a colour film taken at RAF Hemswell during the winter of 1943/44 by the Station Commander. Attached is a still captured from the film; The Thorneycroft Amazon crane appears to be Khaki Green No 3 as the base colour with Dark Tarmac No 4 as the disruptive colour. Note the yellow upper surface on the jib. Many of the tractors shown in the film have yellow bonnets, there is a view of the black & white chequed runwat ATC caravan; its towing vehicle coupled to it was a Morris light recce car minus its turret colour all over yellow ! Hope this helps' I have recently purchased Mike Starmers booklet on British Army cam colours for UK and N W europe it includes colour chips. For the modellers White Ensign models now have a wide range of authentic WW2 military colours. Just do a Google and you will get their site and find their on line catalogue.

Gentlemen, I know this sounds very stupid but : did a member recently state on a post that he was on the staff at the RAF Museum Hendon please thank you TED

Thanks thats the one ! and just looking again at the sunken one the gre cells fail me its an identical mounting configeration to the picture I have just posted thanks again TED

If you look at the original thread of the sunken cargo you will see a picture I posted of the type trailer in the sunken hold. it was in fact a Pundit airfield identification light not a Chance mobile floodlightlight, Firstly, The trailer in this thread is employing lenses derived from Lighthouse technology by the Chance Bros Co . The Chance light illuminated the left side of a runway edge as viewed by a landing pilot. The trailer was positioned about 30 ft from the threshold . the 4 leveling jacks on the floodlight unit enabled it to be set up with great accuracy. As an aircraft joined the circuit ATC would instruct the crew manning the light switch it on. Comms was normally by a field telephone arrangement. As soon as the kite was safely down off went the light. At the end of night flying the Chance light would normally be towed back to the Night Flying equipment shed adjacent to ATC. Turning to the sunken cargo; This was an Airfield Identification Beacon trailer, known by us as a Pundit, its an identical trailer chassis arrangement and similar top hamper containing a generater and switch gear. However the light tower was a square section, It was normally position on the edge of the airfield often just outside the perimeter fence. Each airfield had a 2 letter morse code Ident. The switchgear was programmed to the relevant letters and when the airfield was open for flying after dusk it was switched on. Of both types there were variations, both came as either trailer or truck mounted with the Fordson WOT1 being the most usual. In the case of the ident beacon The light tower was more commonly mounted over the steering turntable, and this is the case in the sunken cargo. The square front mounting position for the tower can be seen in the original thread picture. I cannot find that original thread any ideas please ???

Now I am totally confused in your first posts you gave the RAF number 78 AA 46 now you are saying 77AA46 ?? TED

A bit head scratching, its an RAF vehicle so the contract would have called for RAF Blue/Grey not Bronze Green. Normally only trials vehicles would go to chertsey. It may have gone there for the guys to do a Maintenance appraisal on it then a desicion is made whether or not existing maintenance methods and publications will suffice for the vehicle and its batch/contract or should new procedures /publications be required. What is your chassis number and is there a contract number on a data plate ? TED