The winch is extra weight and hassle! We have this discussion, frequently and loudly. Best advice is read up ask questions here and look about. Unfortunatley there are an awful of frogs before the Prince. Jeeps really are silly money. Dodges are a more sensible sort of price. Good points, relable, easy to work on, nice to drive. Not that expensive to run for an MV. Bad points, the Dodge Drench, but you quickly l;earn to clear water of the canvas. Brakes can be fiddly but if set up properly by the manual fine. Engine is a delight. Wait till you are running down a straight Dutch country road at Midnight in the summer with full moon, nothing else on the road, just the sound of a T-214 in your ears. :nut: