I knew a couple of members of the German armed forces of WW2 who had returned to Jersey, their homes having ended up behind the Iron Curtain. One in particular John, was the lovlest man you could ever meet, as kids we adored him, he gave us fruit from his garden, could always be trusted to settle arguments and was well respected by the community. As to the oaths, the key words in the American ansd and US are 'According to Law'. I don't have to remind you, obey an order and then argue, unless it is illegal. Hitler you notice Unconditional obedience to him. Hitler considered this vital to his consolidation of power. We both know you fight for your mates, not your country. When the muck is in the fan it is the guys around you that matter. As I said earlier a lot of the older people who lived through the Occupation of the Channel Islands say the German Armed Forces were very correct, and on a personnel level many of the Landsser were nice people, it was the groups like Organisiation Todt that were the nasty ones. However, don't expect total love when there are a bunch of armed men marching down the street, removing radios, sentencing you to prision or concentration camps if you listen to the BBC. 12 British Civillians dies in the Concentration Camps. These are events still in living memeory for most of Europe, and the Channel Islands, so it isn't suprising thjat there is a marked dislike. Hopefully the unthinking hatred will simmer down as time passes, but I do have difficulty seeing the armed forces of Germany in either war as misunderstood heroes. As I knew both John and survivors of the concentration camps I still find it a difficult circle to square. I try to hate the deeds, not the people. The polotics of war have fascinated me for years, first thing you understand, nothing is easy!