Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Hi all, Well after a long time, it finally arrived home... A 10 cwt Lightweight binned trailer. The trailer was sold after the war at a Military vehicle depot. It was used at a scrapyard in France (near the spanish border) for hauling tools around the yard. It's very complete, still has it's original Convoy light and convoy plate. Only one thing seems to have been added, which is a winch. I believe this was done after the war. I can't read the contract number but the census number appears to be X6149147. The chassis number is OE16847, would this mean it was made by the Orme and Evans company? We're going to restore it but we're still looking for a correct pintle hook and trailer ''T'' Plate. Any pictures or info about the trailer is always welcome. Here are some pictures https://plus.google.com/photos/117488934513697626694/albums/6022649420643577489?authkey=CP6LyarLxvu1-gE Will start a blog when we start the restoration. regards, Niek :thumbsup: Edited June 8, 2014 by Dodge'40-'45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 That' very nice Niek. I wonder what they used to winch on with that hand winch ? Any chance at all the winch is original? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 That' very nice Niek. I wonder what they used to winch on with that hand winch ? Any chance at all the winch is original? Hi Gordon, From what i read in a manual, this type of trailer was used by the british REME Airborne section for hauling larger spare parts (eg Gearboxes/engines) and tools. I'm not sure it's original will check if i can find any British OD on the winch. I have this post war Manual picture which shows it without winch, it might have been added during the war. I'll check if i can find british OD on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 (edited) Did some cleaning today, the winch is definately not original and was added after the war. It doesn't have any british OD on it, and it's very crudely made. Will remove it this afternoon. Found the contract number on the data plate which is C (or S?, can't make out the first letter) 7945 the trailer still has all the original locks and still even has the original mudflaps. Removed some paint, and found black on some places underneath which might indicate it has been in Mickey Mouse Ear camouflage? Will also check this afternoon if there are any formation signs or other markings left on it. Does anyone happen to know what the brackets (last photo) on the chassis are for? they seem to be original. Edited June 9, 2014 by Dodge'40-'45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_bish Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 nice piece of kit in what looks like great condition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retriever Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 numbers X6146399-X6153024 were issued under contract S7945 for TRAILER 10CWT 2WH VERIOUS TYPES by Orme and Evans . So it looks like you numbers are original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifficer Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 numbers X6146399-X6153024 were issued under contract S7945 for TRAILER 10CWT 2WH VERIOUS TYPES by Orme and Evans . So it looks like you numbers are original Great find Neik, apart from Richard Breretons relic trailer and my repro, it's the only one in existance. are the thinner shelves wood or metal? I built my repro from 2 photos and the drawing in the manual, I belive some later binned store trailers had the end doors deleated as they couldnt be opened when the trailer was still attached to the tow vehicle. It is normal practice not to unhitch a trailer unless you realy have to as the unit might have to "bug out" in a hurry, you know "shoot and scoot". Richards trailer has no evidence of a front door. Some veteran REME guys I served with told me their version had no front door and was fitted with central steady posts. The "binners" where used for spares as you thought, but engine replacement in WW2 was a rear area workshop job, I doubt that such replacement would be performed by an Airborne Light Aid Detachment. "Binners" where issued to Armement Artifficers (my old job) in Recce and Artillery units for small arms and gun spares, heavy items would be transported in heavy sea tail transport. If you come to War & Peace my repro will be on the Summer of 44 display so come along and compare notes. Regards Robin Artifficer REME Retired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeePig Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Were those canvas mudflaps a common fitment to trailers, or just the binned? I have never seen any before, I had assumed they would be made of rubber. trevor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 10, 2014 Author Share Posted June 10, 2014 (edited) Hi All, Thanks for confirming the census number. Haven't had any luck on finding any formations signs or markings but i'm not giving up yet. Any places i should specifically search? All hinges are now working properly again with the help of some WD-40. :-D Did find out it had been registered in the area of Bordeaux. The dataplate states this trailer is a No1 MkII. I believe the trailer is from Mid-late 1944? can anyone confirm this? The Bins are an all metal construction riveted together and then bolted on to the chassis. I don't know if the later types without front door might also might have been rivited or would have been welded? I am planning to go to War & Peace show, so will be sure to drop by. Could you send me the photo's you used for your trailer please? Do you happen to have any idea what the front brackets were used for? or are they a later addition? I believe most of the Lightweight machinery trailers were fitted with the mudflaps, don't now if they were used on other trailers too. The mudflaps are made of canvas with a cross stitched pattern a small weight (lead i believe) stitched in the lower section. Regards, Niek Edited June 10, 2014 by Dodge'40-'45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packhow75 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 If you come to War & Peace my repro will be on the Summer of 44 display so come along and compare notes. Regards Robin Artifficer REME Retired Better be... my "new" 75mm Pack Howitzer will need an gentle overhaul! Tim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifficer Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Hi All' date=' Thanks for confirming the census number. Haven't had any luck on finding any formations signs or markings but i'm not giving up yet. Any places i should specifically search? All hinges are now working properly again with the help of some WD-40. :-D Did find out it had been registered in the area of Bordeaux. The dataplate states this trailer is a No1 MkII. I believe the trailer is from Mid-late 1944? can anyone confirm this? The Bins are an all metal construction riveted together and then bolted on to the chassis. I don't know if the later types without front door might also might have been rivited or would have been welded? I am planning to go to War & Peace show, so will be sure to drop by. Could you send me the photo's you used for your trailer please? Do you happen to have any idea what the front brackets were used for? or are they a later addition? I believe most of the Lightweight machinery trailers were fitted with the mudflaps, don't now if they were used on other trailers too. The mudflaps are made of canvas with a cross stitched pattern a small weight (lead i believe) stitched in the lower section. Regards, Niek[/quote'] Hi Niek If you look at the attached photos these are all I had to go on. Tha flat plate fittings where on the chassis when I got it and I kept them as standard, they take a small shackle to assist movement without a vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I'd guess that the flat plates were for shackles, but positioned so that they could be used to lash it down or free it easily and quickly in a glider or transport aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Hi Niek, Good to meet you at Port-en-Bassin on Saturday. Very nice trailer and looks very complete. First one I've ever seen. I see it even has the "parking" socket for the butler plug. But see you are also in the market for a T-Plate! Re your question about the brackets: my 100 gal water bowser and REME Electrical repair trailer have identical brackets. I'd thought they were to attach "Toggle" ropes with a metal shackle to assist in manhandling the trailer without a vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Hi niek, this has spurred me on to finish mine! http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?27455-British-WWII-REME-Lightweight-Electrical-Repair-Trailer-Restoration-Project/page11&highlight=Griffo i know where a tow hook is I will pm you regards dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 Hi all, Thanks for the info. The picture will come in handy when I order a canvas. Got the convoy light open the other day, it's the first time since a long time that it has been opened. it had a small bee nest in it, but it's in good shape. All the clips are there for the wiring. Got a 2-way switch, just will need to make a bracket to hold it. I believe they're not that hard to make? Would the machinery trailers originally have had 1 taillight? John, You must have met my father Eric at port en bessin. Are you going to Souchez this year? It seems like the only problem will be the T plate, seems like they're quite sought after. No reproduction available? regards, Niek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Hi all' date=' Thanks for the info. The picture will come in handy when I order a canvas. Got the convoy light open the other day, it's the first time since a long time that it has been opened. it had a small bee nest in it, but it's in good shape. All the clips are there for the wiring. Got a 2-way switch, just will need to make a bracket to hold it. I believe they're not that hard to make? Would the machinery trailers originally have had 1 taillight? John, You must have met my father Eric at port en bessin. Are you going to Souchez this year? It seems like the only problem will be the T plate, seems like they're quite sought after. No reproduction available? regards, Niek[/quote'] I'll be at Souchez for the weekend only this year....but not taking any trailers this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 15, 2014 Author Share Posted June 15, 2014 Hi all, Unfortunately missed the pintle hook on Ebay (problems with posting it), still looking for a late war/early post war model. Hope to find one which i might be able to collect at W&P revival. regards, Niek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 28, 2014 Author Share Posted June 28, 2014 Finally had the time to remove the winch, looks a lot better now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 28, 2014 Author Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Well, decided to take one of the wheels off to take a look. It's probably the first time since WW2 that the brake drum came off (evidenced by the very poor state of roller bearings inside). Anyone happen to know the right part numbers for these and where to get them? All looks very good (except for the bearings) but needs a good cleanup. Brake linings are in almost new condition. Edited June 28, 2014 by Dodge'40-'45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 If you clean the bearings up you should find the part number on the face of the races. There's a fair chance they might still be available from a good industrial bearing and power transmission suppliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Well' date=' decided to take one of the wheels off to take a look. It's probably the first time since WW2 that the brake drum came off (evidenced by the very poor state of roller bearings inside). Anyone happen to know the right part numbers for these and where to get them? All looks very good (except for the bearings) but needs a good cleanup. Brake linings are in almost new condition.[/quote'] Post #43 on this thread should help: http://hmvf.co.uk/forumvb/showthread.php?27455-British-WWII-REME-Lightweight-Electrical-Repair-Trailer-Restoration-Project/page5 I managed to find Canadian manufactured Timken replacements obtained from local bearing specialist. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 28, 2014 Author Share Posted June 28, 2014 Thanks for the numbers. I tryed looking for them but couldn't find the parts number of the larger bearing (seemed badly stamped in), could only read the first three numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean N Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Alternatively just try by the dimensions (bore, outside diameter, length, bearing type, any oddities such as an extended inner race) - if it is still supplied, those, plus what you have got of the numbers, should pin it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted June 29, 2014 Author Share Posted June 29, 2014 About a year ago i bought a spare 10 cwt trailer axle and 2 wheels. I've checked the bearings on this axle today and they're in quite good condition, so i will use these for the Binned trailer. I have also found a pintle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge'40-'45 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) replaced the bearings. Luckily only had to replace left side bearings. Other side was in quite good shape (but very low on grease..) which is why it made noise. Getting the tyres removed off the rims. will get them sandblasted & painted during one of these weeks. Fresh set of tyres is waiting to be put on. Edited July 6, 2014 by Dodge'40-'45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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