Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Though I would start a new thread.  As the restoration of the 100 gallon bowser is nearing completion, i'm itching to start another trailer restoration. I have two worthy trailer restoration project lined up, the down side is the owner doesn't want to sell them... 😞. So i'm thinking...... of taking on something a little more of a rebuild than a restoration. Few years back (12 years) I bough the remains of 10 Cwt trailer, plan was to strip the useful bits, scrap the rest as it was beyond repair. Since then the trailer has been pushed under a tarp at the back of the yard until this morning. The trailer is a 2 wheeled lightweight binned stores trailer, doesn't have massive value but is quite rare, So worthy restoring??? Not counting mine I know of another two originals and one new build. I'm sure as this thread progresses there will be others.  The pictures below show its current condition.  5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Well, I think its a great trailer to rebuild. Certainly a rare type too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Baecke Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Good to see another one being saved. Yours appears to be the no1 mk1 type with fixed front/rear panels. Any dataplate still present? We found this one about 7 years ago on the border of France/Spain. No idea how it got there but it's a July 1944 No1 Mk2 made by Orme & Evans. Also attached is one of the only photo's of this type of trailer i could find in service during ww2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Niek Baecke said: Good to see another one being saved. Yours appears to be the no1 mk1 type with fixed front/rear panels. Any dataplate still present? We found this one about 7 years ago on the border of France/Spain. No idea how it got there but it's a July 1944 No1 Mk2 made by Orme & Evans. Also attached is one of the only photo's of this type of trailer i could find in service during ww2.    Hi Niek,  Many thanks for the message, so pleased you have complete stores trailer, I may need you to help if possible?? I have a few construction questions. I've been pondering over which model mine is, My trailer at some point in time has been "farm modified" I guess these modifications have been made as the trailer started to rot and fall apart, the locker lids have all been removed on the left hand side, and plated over. Wheel arches added left and right The front end panel has been plated to fill the gap. Angle iron added to the topside of the trailer, fortunately this final modification has held the trailer together.  The data plate is very very rusty, there are a few numbers, at this stage i'm not sure the best method to clean this up, without making it worse and loosing the numbers all together.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 3, 2022 Author Share Posted January 3, 2022 I've added a close up image of the front section, the black circles identify two location pegs.  These seem to match your trailer. I think this trailer would have had a front gate...   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niek Baecke Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Ah, now i see the pictures of the front, yours appears to be a No1 MK2 too. We're happy to help if you need any pictures/measurements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64EK26 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Hi This is from the 1949 Parts Manual W.O.5460  Cheers Richard  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Niek Baecke said: Ah, now i see the pictures of the front, yours appears to be a No1 MK2 too. We're happy to help if you need any pictures/measurements. There is the skeleton of the frame remaining inside the trailer, I guess my best option is to draw this up, then if you could help patch the blanks that would be much appreciated. Not the best pictures, but you can just make out the remains of the frame work inside the trailer, you can make out most of the rivet holes. Additionally studying the construction it just looks like the bins are simply bolted to the chassis  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, 64EK26 said: Hi This is from the 1949 Parts Manual W.O.5460  Cheers Richard   Richard,  thanks for sharing this, I had forgotten this manual has details on the binned stores, I need to dig my copy out, from memory they had cutaway views.  Interesting the picture above shows a smaller towing ring. Or is just perspective of the picture?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64EK26 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 16 hours ago, Jerryjeeprichard said: Interesting the picture above shows a smaller towing ring. Or is just perspective of the picture?  Hi I think it just the perspective as I thought all 10cwt lightweight trailers had the same towing arrangement. By the way you do you have copies of any of the Chillwell manuals that this manual supercedes, I am particularly after the one for the 100 Gallon trailer Cheers Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) To my knowledge there were three hitch sizes The larger one we all know and see 3" Eye Medium size one, 2"Eye Small one 1" Eye  Whether or not these were all used on 10Cwt trailer I couldn't comment. Maybe someone with more knowledge knows?    Edited January 5, 2022 by Jerryjeeprichard extra pictures 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 Sorry, four types.  Not document 50mm ball option, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Hi Richard, Â To my knowledge the 1" ring wasn't used on 10CWT trailers. I think it was used on the NFS Fire pump trailer though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share Posted January 5, 2022 Hi John I think that would make some sense, I doubt very much they would have removed the pintle hook off the rear of a jeep and replaced with a hitch that wasn't universal.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 Reporting last weekends progress. The strip down had begun, Birds nest and all.   4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 13, 2022 Author Share Posted January 13, 2022 Spent this evening studying the trailer chassis,or whats left of it............. 😩 My anticipation was to strip, sandblast, replace the rotten parts, keep the chassis original (or as much as possible). Its too far gone, sadly beyond economical repair.............. I do have a Plan B, which is a second trailer chassis, I purchased this again to strip of the useful parts. I,ve never really studied properly till tonight.... The chassis is dimensionally the same of the binned stores trailer, has the exact same frame configuration , even the holes on the trailer floor match. The data plate on this trailer just mild steel and not brass, which i though was very odd? Looks original to the trailer.... admittedly its in slightly better condition than the data plate on the other trailer which is mild steel too, So i'm guessing these are original..  I can make out the following characters.  X6147 3 or 8 39 OE15039 S794 8 or 5? Is there any way of associating the contract numbers vs the contract numbers issued for the binned stores trailer? The chassis on the second trailer does need some repairs........ but generally very good.... near excellent.   1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Richard, I've found several steel data plates (or their remains) over the years, manufacturers certainly didn't all make brass ones as seen on the Electrical Repair Trailer. I think the "OE" number is Orme Evans contract numbering. But they produced Binned Stores trailers on contract S7141. X numbers allocated where: 5842857 - 5843196 Brockhouse also made Binned trailers to several contracts, but their X allocations started with 4 or 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 Thanks John I’ve studied both chassis and the dimensionally check out exactly. Even down to holes drilled in the floor/ chassis.. What other trailers had the same chassis structure as the stores trailer And had a contract number S7948 or S7945?  Is the contract data published anywhere to see what it should have been?  Help!    Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Richard, I use Rob van Meel's excellent "Allocation by Central Census of B-Vehicle WD Numbers". Includes a complete section on trailers of all types and makes. https://robvanmeel.nl/product/b-vehicles-wd-numbers-central-census-chilwell-1944-numerical/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 ORME Evans had contract S7945 for "Trailer 10cwt 2wh Various Types"Â Â but I'd still highly recommend Rob's book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 John Robs book on order, along with a load of other books I probably didn't need.....😆 So what your saying above is contract S7945 for "Trailer 10cwt 2wh Various Types" this could well be a binned stores, and the X numbers allocated correct too? Can we date the trailer off these numbers?  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cordenj Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Yes could have been anything...including Binned Stores. X numbers allocated were: 6146399 - 6153024. Date: given the high contract number I'd guess 1944 or later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 I feel slightly better now knowing the second trailer is a binned stores, at least the bottom half of the trailer will be all original.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 5:09 PM, Niek Baecke said: Ah, now i see the pictures of the front, yours appears to be a No1 MK2 too. We're happy to help if you need any pictures/measurements. Hi Niek I will be starting the construction of the upper body over the next few weeks. I have a few questions * I think i have enough of the original frame to dimensional piece back together, BUT, when I measure the angle iron on the frame, the bottom sections that bolt to the bed of the trailer look to be a heavier section than the uprights? Can you confirm this. * How is the wheel arch constructed I cant work this out. I've attached a picture of the trailer chassis, the chalk marks indicating the holes where the inner frame bolts down.... but how does this work with the wheel arch?   Thanks in advance.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerryjeeprichard Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 Can anyone help:- ? I need to try an locate some of the brass latches, these would have been common on the generator trailers, welding trailers, maybe other vehicles of the period. I guess lots of these trailers will have been broken up for the wheels/hitches etc. I have four, although not in the best shape, another four will get me out of a fix, but eight in total would be fab.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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