AmphibAndy Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Can any kind soul help me with the RAL Colour codes for the RAF Roundels please? I also assume that they were in gloss? many thanks Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Useful to know for us aswel as we will be adding one to our trucks bonnet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Roundel colours discussed in page 2 of this topic:- https://hmvf.co.uk/topic/34169-ww2-raf-vehicle-markings/ BS381C 538 Post Office red/Cherry is a slightly different red in RAL RAL 030 40 50 Hibiscus red BS381C 539 - Currant Red is a slightly red in RAL RAL 3031 Orient red The blue is more questionable, but once you have decided which one you can find the RAL (and other codes) here:- https://www.e-paint.co.uk/colour-alternatives.asp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 6 hours ago, AmphibAndy said: Can any kind soul help me with the RAL Colour codes for the RAF Roundels please? I also assume that they were in gloss? many thanks Andrew Hi Andrew, I would ignore RAL colour codes as they are European origin. The British Standard colours are still used by paint suppliers in the UK. I am not certain on the shades of blue and red on the RAF roundel, but at a guess would say Royal Blue and Signal Red, both are BS shades. Just found that on the BS381C colour chart there is 110 Roundel Blue and 454 Pale Roundel Red. regards, Richard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmphibAndy Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) thank you everyone for the replies and leads on colours. I shall do some research on those now and report back. Much appreciate the help. And Richard I shall call you in the next couple of weeks and have a test drive over to see you. cheers Andrew Oh and this is my Dad in his COs Jeep in Burma, which he categorically confirmed was RAF Blue/Grey ( contentious) he was there from late 43 to 46 . Edited August 29, 2021 by AmphibAndy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmphibAndy Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just looking at the photo, we know the colour of khaki short, khaki webbing straps and even the steering wheel which is khaki. Oh and the seat. The colour of the Jeep looks nothing like any of those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, AmphibAndy said: And Richard I shall call you in the next couple of weeks and have a test drive over to see you. cheers Andrew Hi Andrew, Will look forward to catching up! regards, Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 We were at a show yesterday a we saw a very well restored half track. Also noted was the very good looking RAF type roundel painted on her bonnet. My photos didnt really show the colours well but I will see if friends from the event have any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmphibAndy Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 13 hours ago, Rootes75 said: We were at a show yesterday a we saw a very well restored half track. Also noted was the very good looking RAF type roundel painted on her bonnet. My photos didnt really show the colours well but I will see if friends from the event have any better. Thank you for this. Not sure I have ever seen Half Track with Roundels, but there is a first time ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCMP Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I painted the (hopefully) attached roundel on my CMP roof using the following colours: BS381C 356 Golden Yellow BS381C 110 Roundel Blue BS381C 538 Cherry Red There is no white in the BS381C range so I used a white signwriter’s enamel. I bought the paint from Paragon Paints and it’s semi-gloss, not matte, as that was too flat against the matte SCC2 I had mixed at Williamson’s in Ripon from Mike Starmer’s swatches. I cannot remember where I got the colour information from, but I looked at several modelling forums at the time as those guys like detail. It is round in real life as well, the angle of the shot makes it look slightly oval! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 That looks very good to me. I will make a note of the codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmphibAndy Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, DanCMP said: I painted the (hopefully) attached roundel on my CMP roof using the following colours: BS381C 356 Golden Yellow BS381C 110 Roundel Blue BS381C 538 Cherry Red There is no white in the BS381C range so I used a white signwriter’s enamel. I bought the paint from Paragon Paints and it’s semi-gloss, not matte, as that was too flat against the matte SCC2 I had mixed at Williamson’s in Ripon from Mike Starmer’s swatches. I cannot remember where I got the colour information from, but I looked at several modelling forums at the time as those guys like detail. It is round in real life as well, the angle of the shot makes it look slightly oval! That is fantastic and since posting I had come up with those exact colour myself, although not the yellow as I am unsure of what that denotes. Can you explain please? In addition , did you spray these or are they brushed, they look exceptional , well done. and thanks for the help Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCMP Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 On 8/31/2021 at 12:52 PM, AmphibAndy said: That is fantastic and since posting I had come up with those exact colour myself, although not the yellow as I am unsure of what that denotes. Can you explain please? In addition , did you spray these or are they brushed, they look exceptional , well done. and thanks for the help Andrew I had a set of stencils made by Axholme Signs and then used a flat lacquer brush to apply the paint. As it’s enamel it flows out quite smooth and has a lot of pigment so doesn’t need a second coat. I’m not sure if they’ve changed their vinyl cutter since but it’s as big as they could make it at the time, around 25” diameter. When trying to find the correct roundel for the period (1943) the types on aircraft didn’t match what was visible on all the photos I could find in various books. It would appear that vehicles tended to use the Type D roundel despite aircraft not having it until after the war. On most of the pictures I found, the yellow ring was present so I included it. I read that the yellow ring was added in 1942 to assist with making the roundel more conspicuous on aircraft so I assume they used it on the roof of vehicles to make them easier to identify from above? As if a big red, white and blue target wasn’t enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatchFuzee Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 The history of the RAF roundel https://www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/articles/the-history-of-the-raf-roundel.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmphibAndy Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 hours ago, MatchFuzee said: The history of the RAF roundel https://www.classicwarbirds.co.uk/articles/the-history-of-the-raf-roundel.php Thank you . I will take a look at that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Thanks for that, its a good article for reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rootes75 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Went to TankFest yesterday, had a good look at this White Scout Car in the museum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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