WOMBLE Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I came across a genuine colour WW2 photo (I think). I'm in the process of looking for markings for my WC51 and I also am a keen user of Vintage WW1 and WW2 photographic film equipment. When I saw this I reckon I can combine the 2 things. The Dodge seems to have a PHOTO marking on bumper. This vehicle could belong to the photographer who took this picture. If anyone knows of a Dodge that was used by War correspondents or photographers, I would be very grateful of info. [ATTACH=CONFIG]121707[/ATTACH] My pictures are on the web and details of camera equipment. Google "Ikonta Bloke" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Well we like a challenge :-D First things first I can see what looks like a rear fender, meaning that is a WC56 rather than a WC51. The truck could be anything from late '42 to '45. Front bumper, from the left; What looks like a 9 in a red circle I reckon could be a 3 in a painted circle, as a painted bridge rating plate. 3A = 3rd Army ( Patton's ? ) 16xxx = no idea, looks like it may end in S for Signal Corp A = no idea PHOTO = official photographer 6 = vehicle 6 Edited December 24, 2016 by Gordon_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOMBLE Posted December 24, 2016 Author Share Posted December 24, 2016 Well we like a challenge :-D First things first I can see what looks like a rear fender, meaning that is a WC56 rather than a WC51. The truck could be anything from late '42 to '45. Front bumper, from the left; What looks like a 9 in a red circle I reckon could be a 3 in a painted circle, as a painted bridge rating plate. 3A = 3rd Army ( Patton's ? ) 16xxx = no idea, looks like it may end in S for Signal Corp A = no idea PHOTO = official photographer 6 = vehicle 6 You're right. It is a 56. I just realised the A is a star covered by the rope. Army official photographers were usually Signal Corps so - right again Thanks for your excellent response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Johns Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Highly recomend watching film "D-Day to Berlin" the story of Hollywood film director George Stevens own personal 16mm colour film that he shot whilst officially filming the last years of WW2, his group known as "the Stevens Irregulars" used Jeeps and Dodges too http://www.openculture.com/2012/11/normandy_invasion_captured_on_16_mm_kodachrome_film.html click on the film clip http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D-Day-D-Day-To-Berlin-George-Stevens-NEW-Region-2-DVD-/291769835229?hash=item43eed65edd:g:J3UAAOSw~uhUnuMT Edited December 24, 2016 by Nick Johns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) You're right. It is a 56. I just realised the A is a star covered by the rope. Army official photographers were usually Signal Corps so - right again Thanks for your excellent response. You are right about the star, should have spotted that. I think D-Day to Berlin could be the right time period too. I wonder if that truck was following the controversial General for news purposes? That would fit too, and explain the WC56 rather than something more humble. 3rd Army 166th Signals maybe? http://www.combatcamera.be/combat-photography-units/166th-signal-photographic-company/ Edited December 24, 2016 by Gordon_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOMBLE Posted December 24, 2016 Author Share Posted December 24, 2016 You are right about the star, should have spotted that. I think D-Day to Berlin could be the right time period too. I wonder if that truck was following the controversial General for new purposes? That would fit too, and explain the WC56 rather than something more humble. 3rd Army 166th Signals maybe? http://www.combatcamera.be/combat-photography-units/166th-signal-photographic-company/ great stuff. ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beepbeep Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) Just seen this, here's a few images of Signal Corps photo Dodge WC51's and my recreation of a WC51 of the 167th Signal company for my trip to Normandy in 2014. The original photos are courtesy of Military Mashup and could maybe be taken in Germany in 1945? Edited December 28, 2016 by beepbeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beepbeep Posted December 28, 2016 Share Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) And from the research I did at the time I seem to remember that 166th was Patton's 3rd Army Signal Corps company........and yes, here's a Belgian site with a lot more background info http://www.combatcamera.be/combat-photography-units/166th-signal-photographic-company/ Edited December 28, 2016 by beepbeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOMBLE Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 Just seen this, here's a few images of Signal Corps photo Dodge WC51's and my recreation of a WC51 of the 167th Signal company for my trip to Normandy in 2014. The original photos are courtesy of Military Mashup and could maybe be taken in Germany in 1945? [ATTACH=CONFIG]121786[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121787[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121788[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121789[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121790[/ATTACH] Photo 30 was well covered...... thanks for these. Have you more on yours in detail... cheers Are you camera crazies too........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOMBLE Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share Posted December 28, 2016 Highly recomend watching film "D-Day to Berlin" the story of Hollywood film director George Stevens own personal 16mm colour film that he shot whilst officially filming the last years of WW2, his group known as "the Stevens Irregulars" used Jeeps and Dodges too http://www.openculture.com/2012/11/normandy_invasion_captured_on_16_mm_kodachrome_film.html click on the film clip http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D-Day-D-Day-To-Berlin-George-Stevens-NEW-Region-2-DVD-/291769835229?hash=item43eed65edd:g:J3UAAOSw~uhUnuMT thanks Nick. Beautiful stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beepbeep Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Photo 30 was well covered...... thanks for these. Have you more on yours in detail... cheers Are you camera crazies too........? [ATTACH=CONFIG]121810[/ATTACH] Not a huge amount more to tell about my Dodge...... I have a great interest in US Signal Corps as my dad served in North Africa and Italy as a linesman with the Royal Signals and was attached to the US 5th Army. Ultimately I want to mark my truck up as a unit that would have been in Italy at the time my Dad was there but for my trip to Normandy in 2014 I wanted to mark the truck up in markings of a Signal Corps company that would have been there in '44. I found the photos I posted above and marked my truck up as 'PHOTO 30' as my own Dodge is the same down to the position of the Jerry can, rifle rack and pioneer rack. After coming back from Normandy I discovered that 'PHOTO 30' was built within days of my own WC51 and now, thanks to your photo above (which I've now found online) I now know that the driver was Eddie Urban and that he probably trained at Camp Crowder! Here's a couple of photos, the first taken in Normandy with a period camera and the other, a Camp Crowder cushion cover I picked up on eBay last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOMBLE Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) Not a huge amount more to tell about my Dodge...... I have a great interest in US Signal Corps as my dad served in North Africa and Italy as a linesman with the Royal Signals and was attached to the US 5th Army. Ultimately I want to mark my truck up as a unit that would have been in Italy at the time my Dad was there but for my trip to Normandy in 2014 I wanted to mark the truck up in markings of a Signal Corps company that would have been there in '44. I found the photos I posted above and marked my truck up as 'PHOTO 30' as my own Dodge is the same down to the position of the Jerry can, rifle rack and pioneer rack. After coming back from Normandy I discovered that 'PHOTO 30' was built within days of my own WC51 and now, thanks to your photo above (which I've now found online) I now know that the driver was Eddie Urban and that he probably trained at Camp Crowder! Here's a couple of photos, the first taken in Normandy with a period camera and the other, a Camp Crowder cushion cover I picked up on eBay last year [ATTACH=CONFIG]121813[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121814[/ATTACH] astonishing that I have learnt so much from the start of this thread. i don't blame you reproducing Photo 30 - it makes a great subject. It was my first choice for marking my WC. (Another of Eddie Urban)? Pictured in front from left to right are: Walt MacDonald and Eddie Urban ( Eddie was a movie man). In the middle is Gene Coogan; at the right is J Malan Heslop; behind from left to right are Arnold Samuelson and John O'Brien. If you ever need correct props, cameras (working or prop)and photo equipment and spares, I have the lot especially Graflex and will always help the genuine Signal Corps and War correspondent enthusiast. (google "ikonta bloke") Hope to see you out there in your lovely WC news flash! J Malan Heslop archive is at Brigham Young University Website. 80 pages of stunning photos. All of his output digitised. Enjoy Edited December 31, 2016 by WOMBLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon_M Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Worth noting that despite the WC being full of stuff, the Pioneer Tool Rack has still been relocated to the inside of the tailgate panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Worth noting that despite the WC being full of stuff, the Pioneer Tool Rack has still been relocated to the inside of the tailgate panel. Yes, I did that with mine. I was told it was English practice. One thing it does do is allow the tailgate to come fully down, easier for loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beepbeep Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 astonishing that I have learnt so much from the start of this thread. i don't blame you reproducing Photo 30 - it makes a great subject. It was my first choice for marking my WC. (Another of Eddie Urban)? [ATTACH=CONFIG]121878[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]121879[/ATTACH] Pictured in front from left to right are: Walt MacDonald and Eddie Urban ( Eddie was a movie man). In the middle is Gene Coogan; at the right is J Malan Heslop; behind from left to right are Arnold Samuelson and John O'Brien. If you ever need correct props, cameras (working or prop)and photo equipment and spares, I have the lot especially Graflex and will always help the genuine Signal Corps and War correspondent enthusiast. (google "ikonta bloke") Hope to see you out there in your lovely WC news flash! J Malan Heslop archive is at Brigham Young University Website. 80 pages of stunning photos. All of his output digitised. Enjoy [ATTACH=CONFIG]121917[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121918[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121919[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121920[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121921[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]121922[/ATTACH] very kind of you and thanks for the photos. That's what I love about this hobby, the history and stories behind our trucks and the great people you meet through owning them. My Dodge was laid up for most of 2016 so I'm aiming to make it to some shows this year......hope to see you somewhere! chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOMBLE Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 hope to see you. Have a great year all the best Gerard Bauer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baz48 Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 Purely for interest British Army Dodge WC- in Malaya 1952 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gas 44 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Hi, does anybody have an idea why the Dodge main tarp seems to be rather short on the sides in a couple of pictures ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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