Hi guys, I was pointed here by John C as he said you are a helpful bunch:yay: so unfortunately I'm now going to ask a load of questions :???
Being the big kids we are, a mate and I are looking at importing a couple of trucks from Europe.
One is a Magirus Deutz / Iveco 110-17 AW, which is German and being TuV plated to 7.5 tonnes, at least while we get it home.
The other is a Tatra T813 Kolos, which is 14 tonnes unladen and 8x8. It's in Denmark, where they can't road register it but can buy a day's road tax to drive it about if they want. It has no documentation with it other than a receipt from the last seller, and the current owner is struggling to find a chassis or engine number on it (I suspect one too many layers of green paint).
Now, we've got as far as form V55/5 and VAT414 from the DVLA/HMRC but quite frankly the number of boxes that need to be filled in, or not, is hurting our brains.
Neither truck is especially military - they're green and used by the army but they aren't armoured, armed, tracked, or "officially" historic, so should both end up (we think) as Private HGV's, as we won't be hauling any goods and will just be using them for pratting about and overland travelling.
They have tachos but, again, we believe the official line is that we don't need to use them for private use - can anyone confirm or deny?
I'm wondering if any of you guys have any of the relevant info to hand from your own paperwork that you could share (feel free to PM me if you don't want to post it on the net).
I'm somehow doubting the Tatra will have a certificate of conformity, and hoping that that means I don't need to fill in a lot of those boxes! :whistle: The Deutz should have a load of TuV paperwork as zee Germans are very good at that sort of thing
I'll just put the stuff the DVLA ask on the form and hope someone recognises it, it's all written in bureaucrat speak anyway so even an explanation of what some of the terms mean would be appreciated.
- Type Approval Number / category details (From Certificate of Conformity)
- Variant (from CoC)
- Version (from CoC)
- HC (Hydrocarbon emissions) in g/km or g/kWh
- Max Net Power (kW) from CoC
- NOx (Nitrogen Oxide emissions) in g/km or g/kWh
- Revenue weight (found it now, see "1" below)
- Max permissible mass (whatever that means, point 14.1 of CoC, apparently)
- Euro status directive number (I'm assuming this is Euro-n emissions and hence the Tatra won't have a rating)
- Type of fuel (the tatra is multifuel, I'll probably just have to ask the DVLA what they want to see there!)
- CO2 g/km (From CoC)
- Mass in service (whatever that means)
- Particulates (pm) g/km or g/kWh
- CO g/km or g/kWh
- HC & NOx g/km
- Trailer weight (I'll have to call the DVLA on this one as I don't know if they mean maximum weight or what)
- Stationary sound level (are you allowed to put "f***ing loud" on the form? )
- Engine speed sound level (from the CoC)
- Drive-by sound level (from CoC)
DVLA website reveals:
1 - Revenue weight: Goods vehicles are taxed according to their revenue weight. This is the confirmed maximum weight for vehicles that have to be plated and tested. For non-testable vehicles this will be the maximum weight at which a vehicle can lawfully be used.
2 - Reference is made to the maximum authorised mass (MAM) of vehicles and trailers. This should be taken to mean the permissible maximum weight, also known as gross vehicle weight.
Maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed. If a vehicle has a maximum authorised mass which exceeds 3.5 tonnes but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed; if the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
So three names for the same thing, wonderful! It's point 14.1 of CoC, apparently.
There is a lot of mention of SVA tests on the form, I'm hoping this would not be needed as it would be a right pain (and expense) and I suspect the Tatra would fail on the noise part if nothing else.
Sorry for such a long winded 1st post, as and when I get some answers from the DVLA I'll post up for future reference. And, of course, if I manage to get the thing home I'll post some pictures and maybe even try to get to a few meets.
John
Edited by FridgeFreezer Found some info on the DVLA website
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Hi guys, I was pointed here by John C as he said you are a helpful bunch:yay: so unfortunately I'm now going to ask a load of questions :???
Being the big kids we are, a mate and I are looking at importing a couple of trucks from Europe.
One is a Magirus Deutz / Iveco 110-17 AW, which is German and being TuV plated to 7.5 tonnes, at least while we get it home.
The other is a Tatra T813 Kolos, which is 14 tonnes unladen and 8x8. It's in Denmark, where they can't road register it but can buy a day's road tax to drive it about if they want. It has no documentation with it other than a receipt from the last seller, and the current owner is struggling to find a chassis or engine number on it (I suspect one too many layers of green paint).
Now, we've got as far as form V55/5 and VAT414 from the DVLA/HMRC but quite frankly the number of boxes that need to be filled in, or not, is hurting our brains.
Neither truck is especially military - they're green and used by the army but they aren't armoured, armed, tracked, or "officially" historic, so should both end up (we think) as Private HGV's, as we won't be hauling any goods and will just be using them for pratting about and overland travelling.
They have tachos but, again, we believe the official line is that we don't need to use them for private use - can anyone confirm or deny?
I'm wondering if any of you guys have any of the relevant info to hand from your own paperwork that you could share (feel free to PM me if you don't want to post it on the net).
I'm somehow doubting the Tatra will have a certificate of conformity, and hoping that that means I don't need to fill in a lot of those boxes! :whistle: The Deutz should have a load of TuV paperwork as zee Germans are very good at that sort of thing
I'll just put the stuff the DVLA ask on the form and hope someone recognises it, it's all written in bureaucrat speak anyway so even an explanation of what some of the terms mean would be appreciated.
- Type Approval Number / category details (From Certificate of Conformity)
- Variant (from CoC)
- Version (from CoC)
- HC (Hydrocarbon emissions) in g/km or g/kWh
- Max Net Power (kW) from CoC
- NOx (Nitrogen Oxide emissions) in g/km or g/kWh
- Revenue weight (found it now, see "1" below)
- Max permissible mass (whatever that means, point 14.1 of CoC, apparently)
- Euro status directive number (I'm assuming this is Euro-n emissions and hence the Tatra won't have a rating)
- Type of fuel (the tatra is multifuel, I'll probably just have to ask the DVLA what they want to see there!)
- CO2 g/km (From CoC)
- Mass in service (whatever that means)
- Particulates (pm) g/km or g/kWh
- CO g/km or g/kWh
- HC & NOx g/km
- Trailer weight (I'll have to call the DVLA on this one as I don't know if they mean maximum weight or what)
- Stationary sound level (are you allowed to put "f***ing loud" on the form? )
- Engine speed sound level (from the CoC)
- Drive-by sound level (from CoC)
DVLA website reveals:
1 - Revenue weight: Goods vehicles are taxed according to their revenue weight. This is the confirmed maximum weight for vehicles that have to be plated and tested. For non-testable vehicles this will be the maximum weight at which a vehicle can lawfully be used.
2 - Reference is made to the maximum authorised mass (MAM) of vehicles and trailers. This should be taken to mean the permissible maximum weight, also known as gross vehicle weight.
Maximum authorised mass (total weight of the vehicle plus the maximum load it can carry) determines the driving licence entitlement needed. If a vehicle has a maximum authorised mass which exceeds 3.5 tonnes but not 7.5 tonnes then a category C1 licence is needed; if the maximum authorised mass exceeds 7.5 tonnes then a category C licence is needed.
So three names for the same thing, wonderful! It's point 14.1 of CoC, apparently.
There is a lot of mention of SVA tests on the form, I'm hoping this would not be needed as it would be a right pain (and expense) and I suspect the Tatra would fail on the noise part if nothing else.
Sorry for such a long winded 1st post, as and when I get some answers from the DVLA I'll post up for future reference. And, of course, if I manage to get the thing home I'll post some pictures and maybe even try to get to a few meets.
John
Edited by FridgeFreezerFound some info on the DVLA website
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