Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Cant quite make out the description apart from it says Panzerauto, looks like its sporting 2 MGs in 2 turrets. Anyone know if this was a one off or manufactured? http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/IMAG0015.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 That looks very like a British Austin, even then the German's were using other peoples kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 It does look a bit like an Austin Tony. Im sure they were a couple of similar vehicles in the WW1 hall at Bovvy, though nothing seems to define it as an Austin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Aha! http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/300px-Peerless_armoured_car_Bovingt.jpg[/img] http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/austin.jpg[/img] http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/austin2.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 the ones you posted Rick according to my encyclopedia of armoured cars says that they are British Peerless armoured cars ie Austin world war I bodies on American Peerless lorry chassis . The Peerless was widely used and some were still in service as late as 1939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Sure about that? Differences are - Front axle and hubs, rear lower body shape, windscreen/roof, bonnet top, front overhang....... Sorry, but I've recently been pulled up for certain Saab identification irregularities and I've got to get my own back somewhere :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.O.S. Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Possibly body is from same maker, but fitted onto a different chassis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 The front panels in the first photograph open like windows, whereas the front panels in the Peerless opens upward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Double rear wheels suggest its a later 1918 variant ( I think), but I dont think they ever saw any action. It could be an Austin-Putilov, but I dont think so. As for the chassis, they were changed onto different chassis like the Willys and Ford tubs/chassis in later years. The bodies could be mounted on White, Fiat and Packard chassis. So maybe the front was a modification too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abn deuce Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I was referring to the photo's at Bovington Have not been able to id. the original through my reference books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Vehicles of this general pattern were operating in the Middle East up to the start of WW2. Presumably cost etc, stick it on a chassis that fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Cant quite make out the description apart from it says Panzerauto, looks like its sporting 2 MGs in 2 turrets. Anyone know if this was a one off or manufactured? http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/IMAG0015.jpg[/img] Judging by the insignia on the front this vehicle could be in service with the Friekorps during the in immediate post WW 1period. Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 Possibly a more likely contender? A Packard I think? http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/am-wi.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Might have been a local knock together. A lot of Austins did go to Czarist Russia, so could be a White or red vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great War truck Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 It does look remarkably similar to that one, but I dont recognise it as being a Packard (although it might be). Lots and lots of one offs were built using whatever chassis were available so it might be anything. You were quite right about the markings on it. That would suggest German from 1919 to late 1920's. Very interesting. Tim (too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlienFTM Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Judging by the insignia on the front this vehicle could be in service with the Friekorps during the in immediate post WW 1period. Ashley That gives me a warm feeling because clarifying and magnifying to 3*, the writing suggests to me that it took place in fighting on what I made out to be 1 - 2 Mar 19. Looking again it is more likely 1 - 2 Mai 19 (May). The barrel of the left-hand gun (right-hand as we look at it) looks to me like it has a water cooling jacket. Not sure. Not sure about the other - doesn't look the same but I cannot be sure, and why do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Could be the other gun is a Mauser anti tank rifle or such. One ant personnel the other anti AFV. The Mauser company made some funnies up from standard reciver married to larger 12.7 barrels as a stopgap to British tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 They were originally Maxims, werent they water cooled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 They were originally Maxims, weren't they water cooled? Yes maxim 08 was water cooled. Makes you wonder how they managed in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 Another example of Freikorps markings, this time on a Garford Putilov. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/GarfordPutilovFreikorps.jpg[/img] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 A whole new subject of intrest opening up. Who exactaly were the Friekorps? I associate them with renegade groups of turncoats in WW2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick W Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 Not far off the mark Tony. Freikorps were formed after the WW1. Senior German officers recruited soldiers for their own "private" armies. Mostly to defend against any possible invasion by the newly formed Red army. They were also used to crush a communist uprising in Germany after that. Some 30,000 Freikorps killed 600 communists in Germany. Another german officer also had his own little private army. A certain Mr Hitler, who then dissolved the Freikorps in 1921 (I think), and formed the Sturm Abteilung, Storm Troopers to you and I. These were under the general command of Ernst Roehm until 1929 (I think) until A Mr Himmler took over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony B Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Thanks Rick, that's going to send me off on yet another track. :dunno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Rick, got a clear pic of the text? I could translate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashley Posted December 21, 2007 Share Posted December 21, 2007 Another example of Freikorps markings, this time on a Garford Putilov. http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o72/rik242_2006/GarfordPutilovFreikorps.jpg[/img] The uniforms are typical of the Freikorps you may have noticed the trooper on the left wearing a stahlhelm with out a front peak........ made for the Turkish army (Muslims) but never dispatched. Atypical photo of the period from the dapper Officer to the trooper wearing a uniform that looks two sizes to big for him. Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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