Salamanders of the Army Fire Service

[wally dugan]

2720RW IS PV2 PV3/6447 ALV 2/6308 RGX875/4991 RGX 791/5388 23 AG 67/5997 26 AG 64/6622 03 AG 46/6782 24 EK 68 /7251 24 EK 46 /7241  24 EK 69/ 7242 24 EK 51/ 7248   24 EK 72 /7252 24 EK 43/ 7253 09 ER 65/8352  STAL 56/7030 17 ET 09 /8353 16 ET 86 /7815 l have only gone through 20 pages up till now

Edited September 4, 2023 by wally dugan
16 ET 86 MISSED THE 86 OFF

[Mark Ellis]

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

one thing l seem to remember FVRDE trade plates used TP no DU 

I'm guessing that Alvis had a number of trade plates. Just looked, and DU was Coventry, so they're on Alvis' own trade plates

[Mark Ellis]

1 hour ago, wally dugan said:

2720RW IS PV2 PV3/6447 ALV 2/6308 RGX875/4991 RGX 791/5388 23 AG 67/5997 26 AG 64/6622 03 AG 46/6782 24 EK 68 /7251 24 EK 46 /7241  24 EK 69/ 7242 24 EK 51/ 7248   24 EK 72 /7252 24 EK 43/ 7253 09 ER 65/8352  STAL 56/7030 17 ET 09 /8353 16 ET /7815 l have only gone through 20 pages up till now

Well that's added some information, @wally dugan

Thanks for that.

Do they give a description in the book of what the trial was for?

Stalwart wing numbers.xlsx

[wally dugan]

HALF way through found half a dozen sent to MVEEE that have a wing number but no registration and none match your list for Stalwarts . Here are  few more 91 ET 68  /8489 88 ET 72 /7756 07 EK 58 /7311 08 ER 34 /7446 15 BT 08 /6308 These are Salamanders 23 AG 84 /5622 26 AG 66 /6622 HAVING break now will look through the remaining ledger pages in the next few days

[Mark Ellis]

2 hours ago, wally dugan said:

HALF way through found half a dozen sent to MVEEE that have a wing number but no registration and none match your list for Stalwarts . Here are  few more 91 ET 68  /8489 88 ET 72 /7756 07 EK 58 /7311 08 ER 34 /7446 15 BT 08 /6308 These are Salamanders 23 AG 84 /5622 26 AG 66 /6622 HAVING break now will look through the remaining ledger pages in the next few days

Many thanks for that, @wally dugan It's most kind of you.

I've added them all to the list. Have a nice break.

I need to get a contact to take look at this photo. I'm not sure if that's a registration number on the back left side, or something else

[wally dugan]

 l just found the vehicle lists for the  1956 and 1962  FVRDE  EXHIBITIONS as you know the picture in both of the fv651 [ A ] is the same  but you may not be aware of its number the salamander was 03 AG 46. As l said a number of stalwarts went to MVEE with only the wing number one that was sent to R A E BEDFORD  from there had wing number 6219  it appears in the ledger at FVRDE without a registration.        As to your PM the video in all is over fifty minutes long and covers the factory floor showing SALADINS been made as well as Salamander  been trailed stalwarts cross  Country as well  in the sea all so the early stalwart prototypes it was transferred from 16mm to vhs  and with the original 16 mm is in storage because of the need to be preserved two part sections were copied   one for dave jenner a

 

[Mark Ellis]

35 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

 l just found the vehicle lists for the  1956 and 1962  FVRDE  EXHIBITIONS as you know the picture in both of the fv651 [ A ] is the same  but you may not be aware of its number the salamander was 03 AG 46. As l said a number of stalwarts went to MVEE with only the wing number one that was sent to R A E BEDFORD  from there had wing number 6219  it appears in the ledger at FVRDE without a registration.        As to your PM the video in all is over fifty minutes long and covers the factory floor showing SALADINS been made as well as Salamander  been trailed stalwarts cross  Country as well  in the sea all so the early stalwart prototypes it was transferred from 16mm to vhs  and with the original 16 mm is in storage because of the need to be preserved two part sections were copied   one for dave jenner a

 

Many thanks for the info, @wally dugan

I'll have a chat with Dave

[wally dugan]

l thought you may like to see a picture of one of the Stalwarts on your list while taking part in the cross country trials at FVRDE you can make out it's wing number

[Mark Ellis]

5 minutes ago, wally dugan said:

l thought you may like to see a picture of one of the Stalwarts on your list while taking part in the cross country trials at FVRDE you can make out it's wing number

 

Oh WOW. It's got twin headlights @wally dugan Thanks for that

Do they ever say what the trials were for, without reading the actual document?

[Mark Ellis]

Still a classified topic, but here's a set of IR lens for the FVs. The IR headlight's glass is flat to allow for these to fit over

 

[fv1609]

2 hours ago, Mark Ellis said:

Still a classified topic, but here's a set of IR lens for the FVs. The IR headlight's glass is flat to allow for these to fit over

 

I don't think those ones are flat, they look to be the later convex type. The earlier ones were flat, a particular disadvantage was that in daylight a smooth flat surface could glint markedly in Sunlight.

[wally dugan]

The early floatation trials with the prototype's took place in a flooded quarry the  sea trials took place  in the SOLENT this involved  getting in and out of a LST in what appears to be a rough  sea both empty and with a load once or twice while attempting to get up the ramp the swell sends broadside across it ' It is funny that what appears to be the stand by boat is a DUKW which manages to do the up and down the ramp with no problem

[Mark Ellis]

5 hours ago, wally dugan said:

The early floatation trials with the prototype's took place in a flooded quarry the  sea trials took place  in the SOLENT this involved  getting in and out of a LST in what appears to be a rough  sea both empty and with a load once or twice while attempting to get up the ramp the swell sends broadside across it ' It is funny that what appears to be the stand by boat is a DUKW which manages to do the up and down the ramp with no problem

I have a letter from the Royal Marines to John Rue, where they make it clear that the DUCK was a better vehicle, and preferred by them. We'll ignore that the Stolly could carry twice as much, and far superior off road.

[Mark Ellis]

11 hours ago, wally dugan said:

The early floatation trials with the prototype's took place in a flooded quarry the  sea trials took place  in the SOLENT this involved  getting in and out of a LST in what appears to be a rough  sea both empty and with a load once or twice while attempting to get up the ramp the swell sends broadside across it ' It is funny that what appears to be the stand by boat is a DUKW which manages to do the up and down the ramp with no problem

I think this is the LST trial. It's definitely PV2, shown by the lights. The outlets of the first Dowty units weren't very good. They pushed the water downwards when closing the outlet. They turned the outlets 90 degrees so they pushed the water out sidewards, which significantly improved the manoeuvrability.