wodan Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Chaps hi does anyone have or know where i can get keycard information i am looking to trace some letters and numbers stamped on my bike any help would be appreciated best rgds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Random letters and numbers are usually not recorded on the Key Cards Geoff. But if you post them here, we can have a look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wodan Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 hi thanks they are as follows frame: 14CW/0022 engine: 14CW/0027 any info would be great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Highly unusual numbers! Any chance of some pictures Geoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rewdco Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Highly unusual! On the engine you can still see the "WM20." prefix of the original engine number (which was clearly removed with a file). But I have no idea at all about the 14 CW 0027 and 14 GW 0022 numbers... They are not even matching... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welbike Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Have more of these numbers in the Key Cards, will check tomorrow, they must have been replacement frames. Cheers, Lex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wodan Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 ok thanks best rgds geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) I stand to be corrected... I have gone through 10.000 of the 20.000 plus Key Card entries, and I have indeed found "several" (less than 1%) of these "special" numbers. Mostly "25/CW" prefixes (e.g. 25/CW/270 or 25/CW/70/55, etc...), but also some "14/CW" examples (e.g. 14/CW/133 or 14/CW/0110, etc...). Unfortunately I haven't found 14/CW/0027 yet. There are also a handful of "31/BW" prefixes, and I have found 1 (one) "14/GW" number: 14/GW/0022. BINGO!!! 😃 These "special numbers" are always found in the "Engine No. "AFY" Chassis "B" Veh." column. It has been discussed before if the quoted number is in fact the "true frame number" (on the frame) or the "duplicated frame number" on the engine. We're still not sure. Fact is that 14/GW/0022 has been "converted from" census number C4171614, which is a contract C/6126 number. And when we calculate the frame number for this census number, we arrive at #19400. I've added two pictures with "close" census numbers / frame numbers, for your interest... By the way, the post war registration number ("W.D.No.") was 88YC89. Here's a "close" one: Edited March 28, 2023 by rewdco 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Regarding these stamped numbers starting with 14CW, I would take a strong guess that they were rebuilt at 14 Command Workshop REME in Ashford, Kent. The fact that one number is '14GW" could have been a mistake, and the G stamp was used instead of C. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) I fully agree Richard! And 31BW could be "Base Workshop"...? Also: behind the CW or BW prefix there is usually one number (the umpteenth rebuild?). In the example below: the 268th rebuild in 25 Command Workshop. But there can also be two numbers, separated by a slash. Looks as if the second number could be the year, as it is always either 55 or 56. In the example below: the 207th rebuild in 25 Command Workshop in 1956...? No idea what the (PR) stands for though... Edited March 28, 2023 by rewdco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Post-war RAOC glossaries give one of several meanings of PR as PRESERVATION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Geoff, If you want a high res scan of this keycard, please take contact with Welbike (for contact details: see one of the earlier posts). He's got the originals and can make you a really nice scan of the complete card. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I've just gone through the rest of the keycards, but unfortunately I couldn't find 14CW0027. (I may have overlooked something, as looking at all these numbers drive you mad... 🤪 ) Probably frame 14GW0022 and engine 14CW0027 were already mated when the BAOR inventory was made, and it was the frame number that was recorded on the keycards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raelman007 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Hi All, I have a similar number on my frame 25CW 84/55 I don’t suppose anyone would be kind enough to help me find correct paperwork and original contract etc please all the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rewdco Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I have given you all the information there is to have on the WD motorcycles forum... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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