Mactavish Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Here are pictures of Humber Pig. Will start restorations soon and will keep you posted as we progress through the winter. Would appreciate any information and input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 I'm afraid I'm unable to read anything on those plates, but the chassis plate will give its serial number & military registration mark. The two numbers have a close numerical relationship to each other. The chassis plate is 3" x 6" mounted vertically on the chassis on the passenger side. You can see it looking through with the front wing on your left and the front tyre on your right. It has a number of non-original embellishments, such as the turret, spotlights, things on the front wings & things above the rear ATU mounts. You have may well have been told that this is a Mk 2, but that opinion would be based on the fact that it has a barricade ram. It is a Mk 1 & I used to have a Mk 1 with barricade ram. It has not been up-armoured in Operation Bracelet to bring it to so called Mk 2 status. (I say so called Mk 2 because the chassis plates of Mk 1s that have been stamped up will often say Mk 2. That is very confusing because the forerunner to this vehicle was the FV1609 was the real Mk 1 & the production Pig FV1611 & FV1612 were actually the Mk 2. But in the up-armouring process the Army forgot that & they should have really called the up-armoured Pig the Mk 3. If your chassis plate does not have the Mk recorded then ignore all this detail. I am just trying to explain the reason why you might see Mk 2 on the plate when I am saying in normal parlance this is a Mk 1 ie it has not been up-armoured) The barricade ram suggests a N.Ireland history as indeed the cut off side lockers although they can easily rust away! I imagine this is a FV1612 which was a Fitted For Wireless truck that has been upgraded to Fitted For Radio as it has the 4th antenna mount on the driver's side rear corner. All Pigs had 3 antenna mounts, the 4th one is an indication of the change from FFW to FFR role. If it has served in NI it may well have rear seats to convert it to FV1611 role ie carrying personnel. If the chassis plate is missing can you read the engine serial number & I can match the engine to a vehicle, provided of course it hasn't had a transplant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin craig Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Where abouts are you located in North America? R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mactavish Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 Mr. Elliott, Thanks for all you information. I will get all the numbers for you. May take me few days to get back to you. R, I live in Virginia but the Humber is in West Virginia right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mactavish Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 I.D. Plate 1 Ton C.T. Armored F.V. 161?A NO? MK? CONT. NV6/VEH/27169 Turret Plate CUPOLA COMMANDERS MG M-13 ORDANCE DEPT. U.S. ARMY FED STOCK# unreadable SER# 3516 MFD BY FOOD MCH CH. CORP? Can you tell me where the engine plate is I could not find it. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I need the chassis number, which you can see is used to construct the registration mark. The plate layout may vary a little. The engine plate is here: As for all the stuff on the turret it is not original to the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploughman Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I assume that with the US detail on the plate and the fitting of the Turret / Cupola that this vehicle had a second career in the US possibly with a Police or SWAT team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Apart from this being a more flattering picture :-D It shows how the engine number is much easier to read once the engine side armour plate is removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mactavish Posted September 5, 2013 Author Share Posted September 5, 2013 Will find the engine # and look for the other. Thanks for the location. What I was told the Humber Pig was used by a SWAT Team in South Carolina up until few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mactavish Posted September 7, 2013 Author Share Posted September 7, 2013 I found the engine plate. Engine Re 20153FV 144006 Found where that chassis plate was but it was remove . Hope the engine # will be enough. Thanks for all you help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I found the engine plate. Engine Re 20153FV 144006 That is the part number of the cylinder block. Check out Clive's photo showing the larger plate adjacent with red line around it, this is the engine number plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I found the engine plate. Engine Re 20153FV 144006 Found where that chassis plate was but it was remove . Hope the engine # will be enough. Thanks for all you help I think you have just given me the Rolls Royce part number (RE) & the FVRDE (Fighting Vehicle Research & Development Establishment) FV number which is their design specification. I think you'll find you were looking in the green rectangle, what I need is in the red one where it says Engine No. Shame about the chassis plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mactavish Posted September 7, 2013 Author Share Posted September 7, 2013 Back to the search. Sorry for the misfire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mactavish Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Did a complete search for both engine and chassie plate. Only found the area where both have been taken off. Talk to the previous owner, he did not take them off. Any thing else I can do or look for so I can get the history of the vehicle?? Thanks for alll your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 That's a great shame. Presumably somebody at some time wanted to make it unidentifiable & they have succeeded. Worth just checking the contents of this tube. That should hold the engine history on a roll of paper. If the paper is still there it will have the engine number. A very long shot is to look down on the top of the chassis through the engine bay adjacent to the area where the plate should be on the side. Very occasionally you can just make out the chassis number that has been stamped on there. If that fails then it must have had an import license & the document would contain the registration or chassis number. Can you trace it back in all probability to a police department & see if they have a record of it. I believe you have something similar to a Freedom of Information Act & they would be legally bound to tell you. If you had a vague date of import & ideally the UK seller then that may show up on the records I have here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rover8FFR Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Looks like a challenge Clive. Best of luck helping with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fv1609 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Pleased to see it drives well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recca Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 is there any history behind that P.I.G? is it UN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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