billyvan Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hi Team, I have recently acquired an MWC Bedford that is missing its heart According to the previous owner, who is the only private owner since the NZ Army, the engine and Box went west many years ago, and prompted the removal of the still good tank, onto a trailer, so they could continue to use it as a sprayer. Now that the Truck is with me, I need to find a new Engine and box for it. I do still have the gearbox top housing with gear lever still in it. I have been offered a couple of 214’s with box’s out of J1 Bedford’s, which there are plenty of here in NZ, but from the reading I have done on the forum to date, there are problems with using the J1 units. Questions are 1. Will a J1 214 motor and box bolt straight in? 2. How do I identify an original MW Engine and Box 3. Is there any combination of the 2 I can use? J1 214 with MW box? I have seen a post that mentions being able to use a later 214, but here are issues with bell housing and flywheel when mating up to an original MW box Photo of the MWC as recovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans prijs Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 hello alex good luck with the restoration of your bedford . you have a lot to do hans prijs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcspool Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Alex, Nice find! As I understand it, the later 214 engine does fit as a member on this forum fitted one to an MW. Once he reads this I'm sure he will share his engine swap experience. Regards, Hanno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Higgins kpt. Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Alex, Nice find! As I understand it, the later 214 engine does fit as a member on this forum fitted one to an MW. Once he reads this I'm sure he will share his engine swap experience. Regards, Hanno Hallo to New Zealand, Im very happy see one more MWC on The world! If you want details see on article in HMVF ,from my full restoration Bedford MWC, think help you, or if you want contact me by mail, regards Higgins Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Hi Team, I have recently acquired an MWC Bedford that is missing its heart According to the previous owner, who is the only private owner since the NZ Army, the engine and Box went west many years ago, and prompted the removal of the still good tank, onto a trailer, so they could continue to use it as a sprayer. Now that the Truck is with me, I need to find a new Engine and box for it. I do still have the gearbox top housing with gear lever still in it. I have been offered a couple of 214’s with box’s out of J1 Bedford’s, which there are plenty of here in NZ, but from the reading I have done on the forum to date, there are problems with using the J1 units. Questions are 1. Will a J1 214 motor and box bolt straight in? 2. How do I identify an original MW Engine and Box 3. Is there any combination of the 2 I can use? J1 214 with MW box? I have seen a post that mentions being able to use a later 214, but here are issues with bell housing and flywheel when mating up to an original MW box Photo of the MWC as recovered. Hi, I think Hanno was refering to one of my posts about using a 214 in a MW. It was done for a customer about 12 years ago, so will have set my mind back a bit. The 214 was an army reconditioned unit for a Bedford TK as it had the lugs on top of the bell housing for the support bar. I had to change over the 28hp flywheel housing only to find the flywheel is a different size so starter will not mesh. The 214 crank I recall had six flywheel studs or bolts and the 28hp had four, so the old flywheel was taken to a machine shop to drill two more holes to match the crank. Then the original flywheel, clutch and bell housing are fitted. This ensures the original type of rear mounting is retained. Apart from a mod to the throttle linkage, the rest was plain sailing until I came to fit the radiator. The top hose connection from engine to rad was not a good mate. The owner required no mods done that made a refit to old spec. a problem. So an adaption of the pipe on top of the thermostat housing did the trick. The old 28hp engine turns out approx. 72 bhp whereas the late 214 is about 100bhp for an engine of about the same capacity. I am not sure of the rear mountings on a J type, but if they are similar to the MW then you might be able to use the negine complete along with gearbox. You can recognise a MW engine by the negine number above the lift pump, it will start "MW", but also an OY, OX, K and M would not be of enough difference to matter as they are to all intents and purposes the same engine. Hope this is of help. Richard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyvan Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Hi Guys, Thanks for the encouragement, and thanks Richard for the details on the later 214's and fitting them to the MW. One issue I have is the lack of an original MW Box or bell housing, but the whole issue may have been solved by the fact that one of the motors I have been offered is from a K Bedford :-) I haven't seen it yet, but hopefully the box will do the trick as well. Anyone know of issues with using the K version of motor and box :-) I am picking it probably wont have the PTO on it, but hope it should have provision for it, with possibly a blanking plate? Anyone know if this unit looks like the correct one for an MW? Cheers for your help so far team, great to see the support amongst fellow MV Restorers. Alex Edited January 13, 2013 by billyvan Spelling :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rippo Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hello, I think the engine from the K type would be the same, or the civilian version of the 28 hp. But i think the gearbox may be different being a syncro box, rather than a crash box. The engine should have 28 cast into the side of the block, if its by the fuel pump is a military engine, and i think its by the distributor if is civilian. There are slight differences in the engines but they won't make any difference to you. The pto you show looks correct for a MWC. Regards John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think the engine from the K type would be the same, or the civilian version of the 28 hp. But i think the gearbox may be different being a syncro box, rather than a crash box. Hi John, If it is a 1940's K type, then the gearbox ratios are same across the board and a crash box too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unionjack Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Pretty sure they're both the same capacity. 214 must refer to the size in cubic inches. 214ci x 16.387 = 3,506cc and the 28hp is 3 1/2 litre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Farrant Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Pretty sure they're both the same capacity. 214 must refer to the size in cubic inches. 214ci x 16.387 = 3,506cc and the 28hp is 3 1/2 litre. The 28hp is actually 214.7ci = 3,519cc so near as dammit, but a different engine, much improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bedford Boys Posted January 23, 2013 Share Posted January 23, 2013 Hi Team,I have recently acquired an MWC Bedford that is missing its heart According to the previous owner, who is the only private owner since the NZ Army, the engine and Box went west many years ago, and prompted the removal of the still good tank, onto a trailer, so they could continue to use it as a sprayer. Now that the Truck is with me, I need to find a new Engine and box for it. I do still have the gearbox top housing with gear lever still in it. I have been offered a couple of 214’s with box’s out of J1 Bedford’s, which there are plenty of here in NZ, but from the reading I have done on the forum to date, there are problems with using the J1 units. Questions are 1. Will a J1 214 motor and box bolt straight in? 2. How do I identify an original MW Engine and Box 3. Is there any combination of the 2 I can use? J1 214 with MW box? I have seen a post that mentions being able to use a later 214, but here are issues with bell housing and flywheel when mating up to an original MW box Photo of the MWC as recovered. [ATTACH=CONFIG]71740[/ATTACH] Easy. Use the MW bellhousing, flywheel and clutch. Drop the rear main cap of the newer motor so you can punch out two of the six dowels that hold the flywheel to the crank, so you are left with four that match the MW flywheel. Refit the rear main cap. Fit the MW bellhousing to the engine and you are good to go. We've had 3 different types of Bedford 214 in the MW that I look after. They all fit. Gotta change the front engine mount too, if you want to be able to use the crank handle. The hole in the front won't line up otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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